Policing Debate (Moved from the Confessional Thread)

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So what does this thread think of this?

Man Threatens Suicide, Police Kill Him - The Daily Beast

On May 11, Justin Way was drinking and threatening to kill himself. His father, George Way, said his son was a recovering alcoholic and had been alcohol-free for five weeks.

“He just lost his job, and he had a setback,” he said.

Way’s live-in girlfriend, Kaitlyn Christine Lyons, said she’d caught Justin drinking a bottle of vodka, which she took away from him to pour out. She said he was drunk, lying in their bed with a large knife, saying he would hurt himself with it. She called a non-emergency number in an attempt to get her boyfriend to a local St. Augustine, Florida, hospital for help—and told them she did not feel threatened.

“My brother has been Baker Acted three times because he was threatening to hurt himself so I figured that would happen with Justin,” said Lyons. Florida’s Baker Act allows the involuntary institutionalization of an individual, and it can be initiated by law-enforcement officials.

“The only person Justin threatened was himself and I honestly don’t think he wanted to die.”

Minutes later, two St. Johns County Sheriff’s deputies, 26-year-old Jonas Carballosa and 32-year-old Kyle Braig, arrived at the home, armed with assault rifles, and told Kaitlyn to wait outside.

“I thought they were going into war,” she remembered thinking when she first saw the large guns. Within moments, Justin was shot dead.

George Way said the initial report he received from Det. Mike Smith detailed an incident wherein his officers said they were attacked by Justin with a knife. Way said Smith told him Justin had threatened Kaitlyn. Kaitlyn denies this.

Denise Way, Justin’s mom, said that the detective relayed to her that “they told Justin to drop the knife and he didn’t—so they shot him because that’s what we do.”

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

No of course I don't think the trouble between Russia and the US comes via the Middle East. I'm 52 after all: I know my history. It began when Russia became a superpower after WWII and Stalin grabbed all he could of Eastern Europe, even up to part (half?) of Germany, resulting in East/West Germany. Then the Cold War, the Space Race and so on all helped fuel tensions. But Gorbachev was doing a lot, against stiff opposition in the Kremlin no doubt, to help thaw relations between the two powers. The collapse of communism and the fragmentation of the USSR left Russia with few bargaining chips and their power much reduced, but Putin is doing his best to drag us all back to the days of the Cold War. If Russia had not vetoed the resolution something could perhaps have been done about Syria. The US has done it before in, oh, 2003? Little place called Iraq?

honestly after campaigning as the sort of anti bush the last thing obama wanted to do was get tied up in his own mid east adventure... plus the nation is weary in general about putting boots on the ground after iraq.

syria is just one of many mid east countries that we watched fall to pieces after the initial uprisings in 2011 across the arab world


basically washington had no real intentions to get involved beyond providing arms in syria.

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@Exo He was asking for it?

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