Is "Avengers: Age of Ultron" sexist?

Oriphiel · 05-24-2015, 01:41 PM

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So we both have things we can work on then.

Doesn't everyone? I'll try to be less annoying, and you can try to wear fedoras less often.

**Frownland** · 05-24-2015, 01:46 PM

I wear bowlers but I won't go full fedora. Never go full fedora. Never grow full neck beard.

Oriphiel · 05-24-2015, 01:48 PM

Just out of curiosity, is there anyone out there who doesn't agree with everything that has been said so far about the movie? Because if there isn't, then this was a pretty short debate.

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I wear bowlers but I won't go full fedora. Never go full fedora. Never grow full neck beard.

**Frownland** · 05-24-2015, 03:43 PM

That it's sexist because it's cliched? I think tumblr sjws need to be reintroduced to the cliche so that they can realize what they've become.

I haven't seen it though so I can't really comment.

Josef K · 05-24-2015, 03:49 PM

I don't think that scene is sexist, though it's written in an awkward way. When I saw it I figured that what she meant by "I'm a monster" was that, you know, she'd been trained to be a killer, not the sterilization thing, but maybe that's too charitable. I think the movie's treatment of Black Widow (and women in general?) overall is pretty horribly sexist though. It's just not a very good movie though, and for reasons other than sexism.

The Batlord · 05-24-2015, 04:55 PM

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I don't think that scene is sexist, though it's written in an awkward way. When I saw it I figured that what she meant by "I'm a monster" was that, you know, she'd been trained to be a killer, not the sterilization thing, but maybe that's too charitable. I think the movie's treatment of Black Widow (and women in general?) overall is pretty horribly sexist though. It's just not a very good movie though, and for reasons other than sexism.

Why? I was actually in the bathroom for the majority of this scene, so I wasn't even aware that she was sterile until this thread, but I don't really remember much sexism throughout the rest of the movie.

DwnWthVwls · 05-24-2015, 05:34 PM

Many movies/novels are structured around patriarchal ideologies. I don't think they are purposefully sexist. We just haven't "progressed" enough as a society to eliminate traditional gender roles which are sexist in and of themselves (depending on your point of view).

The Batlord · 05-24-2015, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Many movies/novels are structured around patriarchal ideologies. I don't think they are purposefully sexist. We just haven't "progressed" enough as a society to eliminate traditional gender roles which are sexist in and of themselves (depending on your point of view).

What does that have to do with this movie?

Oriphiel · 05-24-2015, 05:44 PM

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Why? I was actually in the bathroom for the majority of this scene, so I wasn't even aware that she was sterile until this thread, but I don't really remember much sexism throughout the rest of the movie.

There was kinda also a rape joke, when Stark says that he'll reintroduce Prima Nocta as the leader of Asgard (if he can lift Thor's hammer). Prima Nocta is popularly known as a law that allowed noblemen to have sex with any local bride before she consummated her marriage with her husband (but I have to mention that historians often debate whether it actually existed or not).

The Batlord · 05-24-2015, 06:00 PM

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There was kinda also a rape joke, when Stark says that he'll reintroduce Prima Nocta as the leader of Asgard (if he can lift Thor's hammer). Prima Nocta is popularly known as a law that allowed noblemen to have sex with any local bride before she consummated her marriage with her husband (but I have to mention that historians often debate whether it actually existed or not).

Didn't you say something earlier about not mistaking a character's lines for the mentality of the filmmaker? That sounds exactly like something Tony Stark would say, so why must we assume that it makes the movie itself sexist?

05-24-2015, 01:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I wear bowlers but I won't go full fedora. Never go full fedora. Never grow full neck beard. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-24-2015, 03:43 PM	#24 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	That it's sexist because it's cliched? I think tumblr sjws need to be reintroduced to the cliche so that they can realize what they've become. I haven't seen it though so I can't really comment. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-24-2015, 03:49 PM	#25 (permalink)
Josef K A Jew on a motorbike! Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 800	I don't think that scene is sexist, though it's written in an awkward way. When I saw it I figured that what she meant by "I'm a monster" was that, you know, she'd been trained to be a killer, not the sterilization thing, but maybe that's too charitable. I think the movie's treatment of Black Widow (and women in general?) overall is pretty horribly sexist though. It's just not a very good movie though, and for reasons other than sexism.