Unknown Soldier

There really isn't much point in trying to debate anything with JWB as those YouTube videos finally prove, if you're going to use YouTube vids made by self interest people, you're hardly going to present an objective and realistic scenario to the topic that is being discussed.

JWB seems to have a real issue with immigration which of course is his opinion which he's entitled to, but he seems to know absolutely nothing about how it actually works in Europe and ends up just flaming threads. The guy's never been to Europe and just watches the news and videos, and also says he speaks to certain people which is all pretty vague anyway.

It's a bit like me after watching the news about America, hijacking one of these gun related threads in America here and stating that America is full of gun crime, shopping mall and school murders, snipers picking off victims and serial killers roaming the land etc and if I or somebody from outside of America said that, it would be sure to flame the thread.

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you just want a monopoly on "what it's like in europe" cause you live there

but you are just as self interested as the people who made those videos, so why the hell should i believe you over them?

btw you brits do comment on american gun crime and american issues all the time... who the **** are you kidding?

you think you know more about the ethnic gangs in the town i am from than i do, even though you've likely never even heard of them before. you're just a simple hypocrite, my friend.

the fact is you want to argue from a position of authority because you lack the ability to actually back up your arguments. so you'd rather just state "immigration isn't a big deal" as fact and have nobody question it cause you're the authority on "what it's like in europe."

but there are some things which are simply a matter of fact, which can't be dismissed as media bias. such as the extremely high violent crime rate in london. yet you want to wave your arms and dismiss it with "well i haven't had anyone take a shot at me." well, as long as it hasn't affected you personally then i guess it doesn't matter, does it you silly twat?

Unknown Soldier

Who would be more qualified on discussing racial issues in the USA, you or me?

Because it's in your interest to believe these videos and it suits your agenda.

You've completely missed the point and we can sum this up here and now.

Yes Brits go on about gun crime and its related problems in the USA all the time, but its pretty obvious that they're wrong as most don't even live there so how would they know what it's really like?

Do you live in Europe or have spent any time here? Do you know the day to day problems that really go on here in its big cities? I doubt it but you're naïve enough to believe what YouTube videos tell you.

Now if you'd spent some time here and were speaking with some kind of knowledge about what actually happens here, I'm sure more people would have time for you on this forum.

That's just it no I don't and I'd trust your knowledge more on them than I would my own, BUT what I do know quite a bit about is Latin American gang culture within its own countries, as I've spent a lot of time over the years in Latin America.

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i'm not discounting the value of living in a place... but if you were to raise points on the racial situation in america and my only response was "nah ****'s fine trust me i live here," then you would be an utter fool to take that argument seriously.



it's in your interest to dismiss these videos and it suits your agenda. see how easy that is? this is why i'm not taking you seriously.



incorrect. in some respects they're right. the high number of guns in america is correlated with our unusually high homicide rates. the only place where brits are wrong is in failing to understand how impossible it is to change anything that is in the bill of rights (2nd amendment). that has nothing to do with them not living here and everything to do with them simply being uneducated on the american constitution.

i take youtube videos with a grain of salt... but when i see reports like this i don't just dismiss them without a valid reason to do so. you must know very little about this world if you only trust things that you see in person and never get any information from the news.



yet you didn't trust my knowledge, you told me the gangs were imported when they weren't. some are imported and some are native. zoe pound literally started out in miami directly because of ethnic tension and mistreatment of haitians in that community. no amount of backpacking through south america is going to change that, my friend.

ms-13 is mexican gang that is imported. same with sur-13.

MLK on the other hand is a guatamalan gang in south florida that does not exist in guatemala and arose mostly because guats were often targeted and were vulnerable as a community because they are largely illegal and can't go to the cops when they are robbed.

Unknown Soldier

It looks like it's becoming a waste of time really trying to get through to you, so I'll make it really easy for you to understand:

US: Lives in Europe and knows it pretty well, has a decent awareness of its political and social issues. Once went to New York as a teenager which doesn't really count and what knowledge I have of the USA is mostly from the press and TV. So I take my American knowledge with a pinch of salt

JWB: Lives in the USA and only he knows how well he knows it and has a decent awareness of its political and social issues. Has never been to Europe and what knowledge he has mostly comes from press, tv and YouTube videos. But he treats this European knowledge as almost undeniable fact.

Nobody is stating that there are not racial issues connected with muslims here, just the fact that it needs to be put into perspective. The so called turf war that you're referring to in the video is from an undesirable area of East London , which since the 1960s has always been an area of racial tensions. The area is a small area in the whole East London area and East London is roughly less than a quarter of the whole of London. The city has a population of 8.5 million which kind of means that this whole scenario is of little interest to the people that live here and there are far greater problems here than this. If it wasn't for the press here, nobody would have any idea that this stuff was going on.

Finally nobody is stating that people that don't live or know a place, shouldn't have an opinion about it as nobody would discuss anything. But a certain amount of caution is needed.

I could easily post YouTube videos about gun crime in the USA, but how accurate would that be? But if I wanted to troll or flame a thread it would be a good way to do so.

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