John Wilkes Booth

which city is that?



no.. i'm from south florida. i grew up in a multicultural society. one where haitians, jamacans, cubans, puerto ricans, mexican, guatemalans, black americans, white americans all existed in close proximity. the result? you get neighborhoods which are haitian, neighborhoods which are mexican, neighborhoods which are black, etc.

keep in mind all of these people come from relatively similar cultures in comparison to europe vs asia or north africa... and even so there is ethnic tension. guatemalans were often targeted by black gangsters for robberies and were generally looked down upon. black american gangs and haitian gangs would shoot eachother up despite both being black. mexicans and puerto ricans and cubans etc similarly didn't always get along with eachother.

yet i'd say it's just about workable... the situation they have down there, if they do some reforms on poverty and education etc. this is without dealing with people who come from a completely alien cultures such as the islamic world.



worthless dismissal with no substance. provide some historical precedents, then.



yea... but if the culture in question is incompatible with that of the host country then they shouldn't be importing that culture in the first place.



no, i haven't been to europe. i've been up and down the east coast of the united stated. i've talked to quite a few people from your country who share this point of view, and i try to keep up on international affairs. i assume you similarly have opinions about american politics.


it's a hypothetical situation... basically an analogy. failing to entertain the hypothetical is a sign of a lack of intelligence.

Unknown Soldier

Isn't that obvious.

But this is common knowledge wherever immigrants go, it's obvious due to their situation that they're going to where immigrants of their own kind exist. Some will remain in these ghettos but others will move on and assimilate, it's all part of the assimilation process, for some its quite quick and for others it can take a generation or two.

What makes you think that their cultures are more similar than those of North Africa, parts of Asia and Europe? Latin America is well known for its gang culture and turf wars anyway, all that's happened is that it's just been transported to your country as the Italians did in the 1920s and 1930s.

So you really don't think nationalists would ever use this kind of rhetoric?

Nonsense and that statement alone shows that a person like you really has no concept of what immigration is all about. The whole process of immigration is difficult by nature, it only becomes easier when the people are moving from complete freedom of choice.

Well if you're going to speak to people with similar views as yourself, they're going to share your minimalistic viewpoints...... obvious innit,

I agree because when you're not trolling, you're normally spouting out this kind of bollocks concerning immigrants, the whole topic seems to be your trigger point for trolling, so yer I guess entertaining you here is a lack of intelligence on my part, but I guess somebody has to try and rebuke you...........

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John Wilkes Booth

ah, london. yea london is doing swell, isn't it. violent crime rates in your city are 4x that of NYC. enjoy your multicultural ****hole, pal.



yea... all i am saying is immigration should be regulated for the benefit of the host country rather than used as a form of charity... unless you want to import poverty, crime and ethnic and cultural tension on a massive scale.



well for example they are all christian so there is no religious disagreement. and none of these cultures hold ideologies which are fundamentally opposed to western secularism or pluralism, the way some conservative muslims do.

and actually the gangs in question don't exist in the countries they came from. for example... the haitian gang zoe pound started in miami. it's not a local chapter of a gang that exists in haiti. it started specifically because of the ethnic tension in miami, as a way for haitians to stick together and support each other against other ethnic groups.




doesn't matter if they would. if you want to dispute what i'm saying then you'll have to try harder than "thats what a nationalist would say." provide the historical precedents in question or stop wasting my time.



meh... you're devolving to just attacking me with no substance so you're not leaving me anything to argue back against. i'm going to start ignoring points like these. i'd love to sink to your level and have us a good ol flame war but the mods will descend upon me in an instant.

Frownland

It's possible to have a conversation with JWB without reiterating your point ad nauseum? This is news to me.

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The Batlord

Well if your point amounted to anything but, "I don't like nationalism, so I'm just gonna cross my arms and hold my breath until everyone starts playing nice," then maybe reiterating it would be worthwhile. You're in college. Your pamphlets must have had more to say than that.

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Frownland

And that laws representing our values are a form of assimilating immigrants in itself.

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John Wilkes Booth

no... legislation moderates behavior... not belief/ideology.
yes, it is possible. it just requires you being open to discussion rather than focusing on defending your point. you approach discussions with me the same way nationalist lower class europeans approach arriving immigrants.

Frownland

Legislation moderates behaviour, that's very good of you to notice. However, the laws still reflect the value of the country that they are enforced in. You can have a belief that, say, throwing kids off of the bridge is your best and most effective way to worship god. You're still allowed to believe that and it can be the very definition of your existence, but if you throw a kid off of a bridge then you will be tried by the law, which reflects the ideology that throwing kids off of bridges is unacceptable in any circumstance. So you're right, Mr. Literal. Unfortunately you missed or ignored my real point.

Having to spell things like this out for you was the main inspiration for my reiteration comment.

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John Wilkes Booth

yea, people have the right to believe **** that goes against our core principles... but my point is that it is unwise to import said people on a massive scale.

grindy

I'm pretty much 100% with JWB on this whole thing.

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