Spanish inquisition?

I wasn't expecting that.

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Agree with all of that.

Where exactly is the tipping point where the new market (refugees) becomes too large to be a benefit to the economy (or vice versa)? In the end it might just be a non-issue since these people will be spending money as well. Someone who's done or is dedicated enough to do my research for me is free to help out here.

I think the tipping point would be when the immigrant communities within a nation have grown so large that you have large groups of people who have not been properly assimulated...

and as consequence, are easily susceptible to an ideology that tells them to blow away their fellow citizens with a Kalashnikov.

There are literally little microcosm communities of Iraq and Syria within France & Belgium, to the point that the Belgium government admitted it doesn't have control over certain neighborhoods in their country. (basically a nation within a nation)

As for North America, when you think that the US admits 1 million immigrants each year, 10,000 Syrian refugees is a drop in the bucket, the chances of them not becoming assimulated to American culture is slim to none.

As long as all the security screening is done to the fullest extent it should be all good, geopolitically it will make the US look benevolent in the eyes of the Arab world when you consider that the gulf states are taking in 0 refugees!

You have quite a liberal definition of the economy.

Lol, well yes, the post allowed me an excuse to vent again.

Basically Europe should be saying no, and North America and the Gulf States should be saying yes.

Amendment: Europe should be saying no to the colossal numbers invited by Ms. Merkel, not no to all of them.

Anyone who tries to answer you is wrong. In theory it is a short term investment in all the social assistance programs they will need that will pay off in the long run with them spending and being taxed, but you have to take too many other factors into account to answer that question. I mean, it would take the immigrants being a huge enough drain to make the countries default multiple times so they can't borrow as cheaply just for starters.

The sad truth is, though, that a lot of these countries overfunded their social safety nets relative to what they actually have to work with, so it's a more real possibility that this could hurt them than it should be. The answer is always "rise taxes on the wealthy" but in the last 5 years I think it's been made pretty apparent that there is a point where those rich people say **** this and move to another country.

But it'll probably be fine eventually.

Is this any different from high crime inner-city areas?

I have no idea if the crime rates in these areas are higher than the rest of France or Belgium.

The issue for me is the policy of multiculturalism that advocates for mass immigration without proper assimilation to western values.

As consequence of this, you now have a growing population of young men and women of Sunni faith in Europe whose loyalty lies with a competing ideology that is anti western in nature.

The fact that over a quarter of the Muslim population in the UK sympathizes with the Charlie Hebdo murders is very problematic.

Sweden has a rape epidemic, Amsterdam has become the gay bashing capital of Europe and anti-Semitism and violence against people of Jewish faith has been on the rise.

Most importantly though is that incidents of terrorism are becoming more and more commonplace throughout Europe.

The United States doesn't have this problem because immigrants from Mexico & central America are already westernized.

Is it because Muslim people are evil, no of course not. Is it because multiculturalism and its travelling companion political correctness are political ideologies based on utopian principles like Communism & socialism, Absolutely!!!

So I will say it again, if you have a policy of mass immigration you need to assimilate! assimilate!! assimilate!!!...sorry venting again.

No. Not at all. Look at 'The Glades' from season one of Arrow as a perfect example of this. Every major city in the US has it's own 'Glades'.

REVEALED: 1,000+ Migrants Brawl, Rape, Sexually Assault, And Steal At ONE German Train Station On New Year's Eve

Disturbing.

Not sure if serious.

Breitbart is a terrible source, but yeah, it happened.

Googled it and his was the only site to make a big deal. If it really happened like that all of the major outlets would have been all over it.

Hyperbole meter alert buzzing like crazy.

Dude, I live in Germany.
All the mainstream media here are in a frenzy, Merkel made an appearance concerning that matter yesterday.

Breitbart seems to be slightly tweaking the numbers though.
They casually speak of thousands and as if everyone was involved.
The whole group was about 1000 people and sub-groups from there did the assaults. But since there were dozens of attacks, it seems that a very large percentage was involved.

What exactly was going on that there were so many middle easterners just gathered in one place?

They still have no idea or aren't telling yet.
Might have been a group of people celebrating new year's eve and then it escalated, might have been a planned criminal flashmob, might have been a mixture of both.

Still calling a bit of BS. Sounds more like a huge drunk crowd getting ridiculously out of hand, and less about some sort of middle eastern immigrant "event".

Cologne sex attacks: Merkel disgust at New Year gang assaults - BBC News

Again, it certainly wasn't big enough to gain a US audience. And there's millions here who would feed on this **** to death if it were truly legit as a refugee driven event.

Even Breitbart took half the article before they so much as mentioned that the people involved were of middle eastern decent. Maybe nobody wants to step on that landmine until they know what the story is.

They have no idea whether it were current refugees, but yeah it was one specific group of foreigners.
And there was nothing usual about this whole thing, it's happened on a scale that's unheard of here and it also seemed pretty damn planned and coordinated.
No idea when the international reporting will pick up (it wasn't reported here until two days ago as well), but again: I live here. It happened. People are ****ing terrified. Deal with it.

It's being reported in all the german media, including the state owned news, this way, despite them being usually very, very cautious about reporting the nationality. Seems to be legit.

And you know this because of your local news reports? Which of course are ridiculously country partisan?

I watched the entire vid. Seemed like things were going good for the most part. Then some idiots took it off the rails. Then it became us vs. them. So easy to blame the brown skins these days.

I know this because all the media, including the usually super cautious state owned channels report it. Because the chief of police of cologne stated it in his official speech and the german police are extremely cautious as well.
The german media in general, although at times somewhat conservative, are never 'country partisan', it's not done this way here. Don't confuse germany and america.

You're just mad at all your friends and family for being racists. Every news article I've looked at, from The Washington Post to the ones posted here, has said the exact same thing: thousand(ish) number of middle eastern males groped, raped, and robbed dozens of women.

He's practicing his counterarguments for their upcoming Facebook posts about this story.

The BBC is a cunt of a source. Biased beyond belief.

Ms. Reker, Mayor of Cologne suggests the following advise:

The proposed code of conduct includes staying an arm's length away from strangers, remaining within your own group, and asking bystanders for intervene or to help as a witness.

Fun times ahead in Cologne, staying out of reach ffs!

May as well go one further and say stay at home and lock all your doors and windows.

I'd trust Breitbart over the BBC any day.

And grindy is right, Germany isn't famous for being particularly partisan these days.

I think when someone is "on the ground", as it were, at one of these events you have to cede authority to them. Calling it BS when the guy who LIVES THERE is telling you it isn't is a little conceited and ill-advised. If this had happened in Ireland and I was telling you guys about it and you said "Meh, sounds like something being blown out of proportion" I'd be pissed at yea. Give the guy the benefit of being the man on the spot and listen to him, and don't be overriding what are basically facts he's giving you more or less firsthand with your own, uninformed and unconfirmed interpretation of how you think it went down.

He's viewing it through the American media lens, as grindy alluded to earlier. The bias is so proliferated in our media that we're skeptical of everything except for what we already agree with (I mean, who would lie and be on my side? Nobody). Tbh when I saw the link Goofle posted I thought it was just some right wing clickbait as well.

So this is still a hot topic? I'm a little more concerned about those crazy Koreans.

Was a bit liquidated last night when posting. (What else is new) My apologies.

Still a bit surprised this story hasn't blown up over here since half the country waits with baited breath for any new reason to hate on those Muslims.

Hell, I don't even think Trump has latched onto it yet!

Nope. I don't watch USA news. Googled the story and not much came up. Major news events drown google with hits from all over the planet.

Google news is USA news. It was founded in Menlo Park which is about as liberal a slant as you can get.

No biggie. You were still pretty chill and lucid for a somewhat drunk guy.
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I'm not an American of course, but from what I gather it's only really Fox news and other right wing organisations that even dare to discuss anybody other than white men as problematic to the society. So it makes perfect sense that NBC and other regressive outlets don't pick up on it.

Not Google news. Google hits.

I won't believe a story until the family back east brings it up with OUTRAGE!!! on Facebook.

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