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View Poll Results: should the united states abandon the effort to stay the only global super power?
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Old 05-25-2015, 02:37 AM   #41 (permalink)
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honestly i don't see it as a burden. i see it as an ongoing global/historical competition that the united states is currently winning. i think it would be worse to be a country like china which is forced to find a way to work with the united states due to circumstance. i mean yea they'rea autocratic and beat dogs to death with sticks and eat scorpions on a skewer like it was a ****in snickers bar, but really they're just sort of victims of circumstance. they had a successful agrarian society (on and off) for thousands of years and then that **** basically got turned on its head with the industrial revolution and the colombian exchange.

so yea their communist dream to rapidly turn a generally xenophobic and ethnocentric agrarian society into a internationally oriented communist utopia overnight with up to ` billion peasants to feed didn't go so well.

and now they more or less have no choice but to industrialize to be competitive in today's world, and to do so they must make enormous sacrifices
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Old 05-26-2015, 01:12 AM   #42 (permalink)
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well, tbh i think the way you're framing it, it sounds like you think i'm saying the united states govt is just dedicated to providing the best lifestyle for their citizens, which is clearly not the case. i mean just look at the way our country is run domestically.

now i won't lie, i don't know enough about the global economy to sit here and debate with you the pros and cons of subsidizing the korean economy from an ecnonomic pov, and i'm not even doubting that their are inefficiencies as a result of personal favors between certain powerful personalities etc. but all i see from what you're describing is the US basically sacrificing some domestic ambitions in trying to maintain military hegemony in a key part of the globe. which, as a military super power, is probably not a bad strategy.

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1.) It's not that I disagree that the Government has a tendency to serve those who already have power than the powerless; but if it doesn't benefit the nation as a whole, what good is it?

2.) Korea is a key part of the globe to Koreans first and foremost, and some regional countries as well. The USA has no strategic interest in that Peninsula. Hell, the simplest way the USA could reduce the chances of Hawaii or Alaska being nuked by North Korea would be to let the South Koreans defend themselves.
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Old 06-14-2015, 11:32 AM   #43 (permalink)
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If the proposal is that imperialism is ok then I'd rather be ruled by Russians or Chinese than by Americans. End of story (hate me if you want).
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Old 06-14-2015, 12:45 PM   #44 (permalink)
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If the proposal is that imperialism is ok then I'd rather be ruled by Russians or Chinese than by Americans. End of story (hate me if you want).
I don't hate you, but I wonder if one of us is ignorant, because I'm pretty sure the US has the best record for human rights of the three...
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Old 06-14-2015, 02:12 PM   #45 (permalink)
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If the proposal is that imperialism is ok then I'd rather be ruled by Russians or Chinese than by Americans. End of story (hate me if you want).
Why? We're relatively benign as far as imperialist empires go. Do you really want to be ruled over by a guy like Putin, who'd be the second coming of Stalin if he could get away with it? Or a corrupt, brutal oligarchy like China, who've been known to run over protesters with tanks?

I get why people have problems with America, but sometimes they like to pretend we're the devil, just so they can have a black and white villain to rail against.
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Why? We're relatively benign as far as imperialist empires go. Do you really want Foid?e ruled over by a guy like Putin, who'd be the second coming of Stalin if he could get away with it? Or a corrupt, brutal oligarchy like China, who've been known to run over protesters with tanks?

I get why people have problems with America, but sometimes they like to pretend we're the devil, just so they can have a black and white villain to rail against.
You ever had Russian food? Tastes like Ass. Picture a sad Beet floating in a saltless chicken broth. Chinese Food? Alright, that's good ****. But Batlord is right. At the end of the day, America would be a pretty mellow overlord.
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Old 06-15-2015, 10:42 AM   #47 (permalink)
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If the proposal is that imperialism is ok then I'd rather be ruled by Russians or Chinese than by Americans. End of story (hate me if you want).
the whole point is if russia or china want to run **** then they have to earn it, son

so your preferences aren't really relevant
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Picture a sad Beet floating in a saltless chicken broth.
A sad beet.
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You ever had Russian food? Tastes like Ass. Picture a sad Beet floating in a saltless chicken broth. Chinese Food? Alright, that's good ****. But Batlord is right. At the end of the day, America would be a pretty mellow overlord.
I've had Russian food made by people who weren't poor. I still didn't want any more.
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Russian Food can be great!

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