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Chula Vista 04-29-2015 06:26 PM

2016 Presidential Race Thread
 
Bernie Sanders is jumping into the ring. :tramp:

Not sure he can raise enough money to sustain a campaign but he's gonna make things mighty interesting while he's around.

GuD 04-29-2015 06:37 PM

...What's a president?

Ninetales 04-29-2015 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1583417)
...What's a president?

a wannabe prime minister

John Wilkes Booth 04-29-2015 06:51 PM

i'm going to write in barack hussein obama

Josef K 04-29-2015 06:55 PM

I'm not sure who the Republican nominee will be. All of them strike me as completely implausible, but somebody's gotta win, right? Looks pretty likely that Hillary wins pretty easily in the general regardless of Republican nominee though.

Frownland 04-29-2015 06:57 PM

Michelle Obama 2016

simplephysics 04-29-2015 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1583428)
Michelle Obama 2016

I work with an idiot who honestly believes the democratic party has been secretly priming Michelle to become president.

John Wilkes Booth 04-29-2015 07:01 PM

it's going to be fun watching the nation throw all of their hatred at that mullet headed twat for the next 4-8 years

honestly though i don't know why people even want to be president anymore. whoever it is we're going to hate the ever loving **** out of you.

The Batlord 04-29-2015 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Josef K (Post 1583426)
I'm not sure who the Republican nominee will be. All of them strike me as completely implausible, but somebody's gotta win, right? Looks pretty likely that Hillary wins pretty easily in the general regardless of Republican nominee though.

Meh. Republicans don't really have a focal point of national disdain right now, whereas the right despises Obama, the middle is dubious of him, and the left don't really like him any more than any other generic liberal politician. He might not be up for reelection, but his presence in the nation's mind is still going to affect how we view any Democrat.

And like I said before, nobody really likes Hillary. She's uninspiring to Democrats, and Republicans want her head on a pike. She'll only win if she has a challenger as vanilla as her.

Oriphiel 04-29-2015 07:28 PM

Chula, these are touchy times, you should know better than to make a thread about Race!

Chula Vista 04-29-2015 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1583452)
Chula, these are touchy times, you should know better than to make a thread about Race!

Yesistrue.

Oriphiel 04-29-2015 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1583458)
Yesistrue.

Off Topic Banter: I just knew UFO would be on your Ipod. High five! :thumb:

John Wilkes Booth 04-29-2015 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1583442)
Meh. Republicans don't really have a focal point of national disdain right now, whereas the right despises Obama, the middle is dubious of him, and the left don't really like him any more than any other generic liberal politician. He might not be up for reelection, but his presence in the nation's mind is still going to affect how we view any Democrat.

And like I said before, nobody really likes Hillary. She's uninspiring to Democrats, and Republicans want her head on a pike. She'll only win if she has a challenger as vanilla as her.

nah son

hillary is going to be the next president, mark my words

The Batlord 04-29-2015 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1583475)
nah son

hillary is going to be the next president, mark my words

If that fat **** from Jersey is running against her, then I'm banking oh him. He actually has a personality and fat people are jolly.

John Wilkes Booth 04-29-2015 08:01 PM

i don't think that'll work

take a look at american television

fat people are on reality shows about getting less fat and **** like that, but you can't sell a fat tony soprano esque **** for a president... the republican party ran themselves into a wall last time around hopping from one gimmick personality to another. they can't afford to make that mistake again

imo the only person i see from their camp with any real potential is marco rubio.

The Batlord 04-29-2015 08:02 PM

Nobody has ever really run a fat dude for national office. I don't know that a fat guy on TV would be as big a turn off as you might think. No way we'd elect a fat chick though.

John Wilkes Booth 04-29-2015 08:03 PM

i'm not saying it's a huge turn off.. it works for tony soprano the governor of new jersey... it won't sell nationwide to conservative voters. he won't make it past the primaries

John Wilkes Booth 04-29-2015 08:06 PM

i mean even his number one supporter back in 2012, ann coulter, hopped off that train a long time ago. and you can say what you like about her tv personality but ann coulter is pretty smart and has a pretty good grasp of the conservative temperament imo.

John Wilkes Booth 04-29-2015 08:13 PM

actually though i only say hillary will win cause everyone keeps saying that tbh

i have no idea why, really. i just look for trends in what other people say. seems like for every election i've been aware of politics for it's been sort of a foregone conclusion long before the election who was going to win. last time it was obama, now people are saying hillary.

she seems thoroughly unlikable to me, tbh

i guess people just don't think the republicans can win a presidential election period

Oriphiel 04-29-2015 08:15 PM

Potential quadruple post interrupted! You'll just have to settle for a triple this time.

John Wilkes Booth 04-29-2015 08:21 PM

doing your civic duty, eh ori?

Key 04-30-2015 12:57 AM

I'm voting for The Batlord.

The Batlord 04-30-2015 12:59 AM

Free internet porn for all!

Josef K 04-30-2015 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1583480)
If that fat **** from Jersey is running against her, then I'm banking oh him. He actually has a personality and fat people are jolly.

He's massively corrupt and Republicans don't like him anymore.

simplephysics 04-30-2015 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1583483)
Nobody has ever really run a fat dude for national office. I don't know that a fat guy on TV would be as big a turn off as you might think. No way we'd elect a fat chick though.

http://humor.gunaxin.com/wp-content/...oward_taft.jpg

Chula Vista 04-30-2015 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Josef K (Post 1583637)
He's massively corrupt and Republicans don't like him anymore.

The bridge shutdown scandal that made nationwide headlines for a while left a huge bruise on him. Just upped his whole Jersey bully persona. Plus can't you see the endless ads now showing pics of him hugging Obama after the hurricane?

http://floppingaces.net/wp-content/u...a-christie.jpg

simplephysics 04-30-2015 09:13 AM

He probably had a good shot at becoming the GOP nominee before all that happened, too. He seems like the only contender with a personality that doesn't resemble a stale piece of bread.

I despise Ted Cruz, Huckabee, and the rest of those evangelical f*ckers.

Isbjørn 04-30-2015 09:15 AM

Waka Flocka Flame is the only candidate I allow you to vote for.

Chula Vista 04-30-2015 09:43 AM

It all comes down to the lesser of all evils, right?

Right now you have 5 officially in the race.

Ted Cruz - Shut down the government and polls showed he took a huge public beating for it. Also his constant rails against Obamacare will be less and less effective as more people sign up. He's pretty much the only major politico still singing that song at this point. Plus he comes across really creepy at times.

Rand Paul - Way too fringe. Dude will campaign on wanting to dismantle everything on day one. That'll go over great with the extreme base but will scare the crap out of everyone else.

Marco Rubio - We thought Romney was a flip flopper? This dude is all over the place. Inexperience will also be a factor. His ultra nervous, water gulping response to the SOTU will be played up big time.

Bernie Sanders - Wall street hates him cause he screams regulation. Rich folks hate him cause he screams tax inequality. He comes across too intense a lot plus he's pretty old. Unless he finds a mega rich backer I see him sinking pretty fast.

Hillary Clinton - Bengazi. Much like Stairway to Heaven, that record's been played so many damn times that most people are simply sick of hearing it anymore. It's become a punchline at this point. A lot of the other stuff that they'll try to bring up against her is a bit to intricate for most to fully comprehend.

Might be joining the fray:

Scott Walker - His union busting in Wisconsin is not going to sit well with blue collar USA. His close ties to the Koch brothers will hurt - I'm sure we'll be hearing that prank phone call played over and over again.

Donald Trump - Been there, done that, moved on.

Elizabeth Warren - Another one that Wall Street and the rich hate. She's got some great ideas but will probably have trouble raising cash. And her voice can be annoying when taken in large doses.

Frownland 04-30-2015 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1583698)
Rand Paul - Way too fringe. Dude will campaign on wanting to dismantle everything on day one. That'll go over great with the extreme base but will scare the crap out of everyone else.

If Paul gets the nom I can guarantee that he'll become insanely more moderate in a very short period of time. That's at least how the trend seems to go in pre/post primary political leanings.

Chula Vista 04-30-2015 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1583701)
If Paul gets the nom I can guarantee that he'll become insanely more moderate in a very short period of time. That's at least how the trend seems to go in pre/post primary political leanings.

True but there's enough video out there of his past statements to really hurt him. After Romney flip flopping plays a major role on the voters psyche.

The Batlord 04-30-2015 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1583704)
True but there's enough video out there of his past statements to really hurt him. After Romney flip flopping plays a major role on the voters psyche.

I don't understand that. Like, you people want the gridlock in politics to stop, and yet a moderate who's willing to change his positions to work with the other side comes along and you turn your nose up? Like, I'm happy we got a black president, but why people liked some guy with a slogan over one who was a bit sketch but might actually do his job with some competence is beyond me. They're ****ing politicians, dude, take what you can get.

Chula Vista 04-30-2015 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1583759)
I don't understand that. Like, you people want the gridlock in politics to stop, and yet a moderate who's willing to change his positions to work with the other side comes along and you turn your nose up?

By flip flop I mean someone who campaigns during the primaries on a platform that caters to their partie's base, and then once they win they flop on a bunch of issues in order to try and win the general election. Displays a total lack of conviction on their part.

Pick some issues, decide your platform and then stick with it. Now if you then win and decide to work with the other side that's a great thing.

The Batlord 04-30-2015 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1583766)
By flip flop I mean someone who campaigns during the primaries on a platform that caters to their partie's base, and then once they win they flop on a bunch of issues in order to try and win the general election. Displays a total lack of conviction on their part.

Pick some issues, decide your platform and then stick with it. Now if you then win and decide to work with the other side that's a great thing.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. Romney ****ed up, but that's what all politicians do. They play it up for the base during the primary, and then pull back for the actual election. That's how it's always done.

Why do you want a politician with conviction? Those people are hard to work with. Those people also tend to be farther to the right or left than what some may be comfortable with. Give me a moderate pragmatist who's willing to vote against his beliefs if he/she thinks it will actually accomplish something, even if that's not their favorite thing. People like that are actually able to work with their peers, as opposed to people with convictions, like the Tea Party, who ****ed over our credit rating with their convictions.

Chula Vista 04-30-2015 12:44 PM

There are degrees to all of this. Some are much more blatant than the norm.

It's one thing to pull back and tone things down, but this is another story.

14 Bald-Faced Mitt Romney Flip-Flops That Were Dug Up By John McCain - Business Insider

John Wilkes Booth 04-30-2015 12:51 PM

i want the grid lock in politics to continue

the grid lock in traffic, i want to stop

The Batlord 04-30-2015 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1583783)
There are degrees to all of this. Some are much more blatant than the norm.

It's one thing to pull back and tone things down, but this is another story.

14 Bald-Faced Mitt Romney Flip-Flops That Were Dug Up By John McCain - Business Insider

The dude managed to be an effective Republican governor in ****ing Massachusetts. He worked with the Democratic legislature to create a state health care system. He's a Democrat's dream! I'll take him over someone with convictions any day. Let the constituents have the convictions.

Edit: I don't know why the **** we're debating the 2012 presidential election in 2015, but I am amused.

Chula Vista 04-30-2015 02:16 PM

http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/Do+...b3faf8c802.jpg

Cause Rubio reminds me of Romney. And ya, Romney was actually really good for Mass.

The Batlord 04-30-2015 02:17 PM

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/...l.grid-4x2.jpg

Chula Vista 04-30-2015 02:21 PM

Another fine Boston boy.


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