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Also, I don't get the people complaining about this thread.

No one is making you reply in it. This thread is starting to turn around with very insightful commentary. Please don't comment if you do not care about the topic. Its as simple as that. Don't ruin it for everyone else who wants to talk about the topic.

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Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1583283)

You don't care about this issue. You don't like me and you have only came in this thread to derail it.

Just leave quietly and allow people who really care about the topic to discuss.

I'm not the only one that finds this thread pointless.

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1583373)

I'm not the only one that finds this thread pointless.

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Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1583372)

No one is making you reply in it.

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Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1583364)

The black youth today need some direction in how they channel their energy when someone does wrong by them. We rioted in the 60's too but we also had someone like MLK who said "No that is not cool, lets do it a different way" we don't have that now.

That's because there isn't a profound issue like slavery or segregation to confront. Police brutality and racial profiling suck, but they don't affect the lives of black people to such a fundamental extent as slavery and segregation did. Just like how there isn't a huge feminist movement anymore now that women can vote and aren't compelled by society into the role of mother and homemaker.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1583375)

well, i'm not sure about that. i mean you could likewise say that segregation wasn't that big of a deal compared to slavery, but instead you chose to lump them together. there have been varying degrees of oppression or racial tension etc over the course of american history. things have gotten better, i would say, but that's not to say the black community doesn't still have issues to deal with.

but a key difference between say slavery or segregation and racial profiling is that you could fix slavery and segregation using state force and legislation. you could simply make it illegal to practice these forms of oppression. with police brutality/racism it's a bit more complex than that. police brutality is already illegal. really the only way to address these more modern racial issues is to change the way people think/act in a way that i don't think can be easily legislated. at least i don't have any ideas on how you'd improve the situation through legislation. really the only way to stamp out something like racism is through social engineering. which the state already attempts to do to some degree. but basically we live in a country with a long history of racial strife and tension and so it's not that surprising that 50 or so years after we decided to promote black people from second class citizen status we're still dealing with residual racial strife and tension. this problem won't go away for at least a few generations, i would guess.

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Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1583364)

Excellent point!!!

I will come back and discuss the black on black crime and police brutality but I want to respond to this one

You are right, this is the problem.

I think the mentality of this generation "black youth" is very different from the past. We still experience similiar racial issues as our past ancestors did but I don't think this generation fights as hard as in the past. Also, I don't think we really have any current black leaders and I personally think that makes a difference. No I am not talking about no Al Sharpton or Jesse J.

We need someone with an influential platform that wants to invest in making changes and risk their life to do it like MLK did but ya know we don't have that. The current influential blacks just care about money and image thats the only difference I see now compared to the past.

In the past, everybody was on the same page ( black celebrities, politicians, regular folk, activists etc) which is what made us strong. Muhammid Ali, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, etc were all down there marching with Martin Luther King Jr in the streets but the current black pop stars of today wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire, its sad how far things have changed.

That's why I always ask why cant social issues be discussed in music anymore because thats all especially African American singers did all through the 60's during the civil rights movement. The whole purpose of it was to bring awareness to a problem that got people thinking (whether people want to admit it or not that does help in making a difference).

Black people, when we are united are strong. No one can't stop us but there is currently a lot of division within our community.

The black youth today need some direction in how they channel their energy when someone does wrong by them. We rioted in the 60's too but we also had someone like MLK who said "No that is not cool, lets do it a different way" we don't have that now.

I think those leaders do exist now, it's just that they're not necessarily outside the establishment the way they were in the 60s. I'm thinking of someone like Baltimore's mayor, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, a relevant example in light of current events. Things are less clear cut than they were back in the 60s when black people were always in the position of being outsiders in politics and black leaders had to be more grassroots in nature. There's obviously still plenty of racism, but it's less institutional and less blatant and the black leaders most likely to fight it effectively are part of the system rather than outside of it.

And I can dig that, fighting the power from within is the only effective way to dismantle the machine. (Imo) But the issue is black folks appear to need a voice, like they had with Dr. King. A voice the encourages them in more positive ways.

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1583444)

Part of my point is that there are now a greater diversity of voices, and they're encouraging in very tangible ways. For instance, by being an example of how being focused and working hard can put you in a position to truly enact change as the mayor of a major American city.