Why do people get annoyed at people who care about minority social issues?

Trollheart · 04-30-2015, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

And I'll let you, just so Pink Floyd doesn't get any.

Everybody wins!

Trollheart · 04-30-2015, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

And now she's either going to completely ignore Trollheart's sublime torching of her ass or she's going to call him an ignorant racist. Can't wait to see what happens!!!

On a side note: I actually do think there's serious issues here and Ki should take them a little more seriously

Let's not forget that I too started a very similar thread, deploring the cop brutality and violence against blacks, so I would be surprised if she called me a racist. Wait, no I wouldn't...

The Batlord · 04-30-2015, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Let's not forget that I too started a very similar thread, deploring the cop brutality and violence against blacks, so I would be surprised if she called me a racist. Wait, no I wouldn't...

You're old school Irish -- and I'm assuming of Catholic stock -- so I already know you're a racist. I know our people well. We're *******s.

Edit: Perhaps it isn't wise to imply that I am a racist with a Hitler avatar.

Ninetales · 04-30-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

To the first part of your post,I didn't mention anything about race. I said 'another event will take all the media attention'. Not sure why everything has to turn to race, especially when I don't consider any of this to be a race problem.

well this absolutely is a race problem.

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Originally Posted by Ki

It's not about empathy though, it's about realizing that the time we're spending talking about this issue on an internet forum where the people who want to fix the problem won't even see it seems very pointless to me. If this happened to someone I knew, of course I'd feel bad, but talking about it here does absolutely nothing.

dang ya wow youre right we cant fix all of the racism or police brutality issues on musicbanter[dot]com may as well shut everything down. gimme a break. I bet the 2016 presidential tread doesn't actually have an affect on whos elected either; lock her up mods!!

its about discussion not fixing every damn problem on earth cmon dude.

Oriphiel · 04-30-2015, 03:28 PM

Ninetales versus Ki... Round Three... Fight!

DwnWthVwls · 04-30-2015, 03:38 PM

Who's who?

The Batlord · 04-30-2015, 03:40 PM

I've been lazy about entering into the discussion, but while I disagree with Soulflower's knee jerk, inflammatory approach to this issue, she isn't entirely wrong. Police brutality obviously happens to every race, but the different causes make it so that dealing with the issue in the same way across the board is silly. Anyone who claims that it should be should also argue against hate crimes. Strictly speaking, hate crimes involving assault or murder or whatever are basically the same thing as a normal assault or murder, but the motivations make all the difference, as they are two separate issues that can lead to separate consequences (i.e. race riots, minority distrust of government institutions, etc).

One is likely to be motivated merely by normal issues of anger or petty criminality, while the other is indicative of a mindset that has entirely different causes and effects. You can't treat a violent mugging the same as a redneck beating up a black person, because ignoring the motivation does nothing to solve a problem that is present in only one of the crimes. It's why we differentiate between simple assault and attempted murder, or assault and domestic violence, because motivation and context are as important as the action itself.

Treating a racially motivated shooting the same as a non-racially motivated one will only teach a police officer not to shoot somebody without proper procedure, but will not necessarily discourage a mindset that we as a nation are committed to changing.

I still say that whatever the truth of the issue, the media's coverage of it should be taken with a grain of salt, as it's now trendy for the news to cover police shootings that might be racially motivated, but without properly doing the journalistic legwork to find out the truth. I certainly believe that racial profiling exists, and that a black man is more likely to be shot than a white one -- though the causes are too complex to simply pass off as American police being racist hatemongers -- but we need to stop reacting to every news story as if it's gospel, and take a step back to rationally study the causes and context of police racism. Otherwise we're just going to encourage an even worse climate of resentment.

anticipation · 04-30-2015, 03:46 PM

I just love how Batlord is now an "respected" MB talking head, times are tough all over it seems.

~~Soulflower~~ · 04-30-2015, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

I'm actually quite shocked that you would say that Ki. Why do you think the issue is dumb? Black guys are getting killed, let them? Surely you're not that insensitive? "I'm all right Jack, keep your hands off my stack"?

He's being treated that way because he's belittling the very events that are taking place by shrugging and saying "**** happens". He might as well say, so young girls are getting kidnapped by Boca Harum (sp?) and sold into slavery: so what? **** happens!" It's a godawful attitude to have in my opinion and I don't think it's worthy of him.

Here I have to agree with Ki. You can't keep changing the goalposts, and you are a world class goalpost shifter. This is another example of that. First you say this

and then you backtrack by saying this

You simply can't have it both ways. If you make a mistake or are caught in a logical trap then you should hold your hands up and say, yes, I was wrong there. You can then go on to explain that what you meant was this, but you have to first admit that you were not clear on, or were too general in, your original post.

It's the same as you did with the "why are current artists not concerned about social issues" thread. When I pointed out some that were, you changed the criteria by saying you meant pop artists, but that was in no way decipherable or clear from your original post. It's just, you know, what you do and what you have become known for doing here: you seem to think we can all climb into your head and see what you're thinking, or that we should be able to know automatically what you mean when your meaning is not clear, or at least open to interpretation.

I'm also concerned by your use of the blunt phrase "You are wrong". Who are you to say anyone is wrong? Unless it's an absolute, like someone saying the sky is green, you can't and you should not assume that you are right and thy are wrong. You can say I don't agree, or I think you're wrong, but YOU ARE WRONG is perhaps the worst form of condescending arrogance that really, I'm sorry to say, populates most of your posts and most of your threads, so that in the end, people really know what you're going to write before your write it.

Finally, I have noticed, in all your threads, that you only ever give credit to, agree with or validate an opinion of someone who agrees with you or sides with you. I have never (ever) seen you say "that's a good point but I don't agree" or "You may have a case there" or (god forbid) "I never thought of it that way." All of which goes to create the impression (true or not) that you are arrogant, condescending, one-sided, blinkered and display a total refusal to entertain any opinion other than yours.

I know this does not contribute to the thread or answer your question, but honestly, my comments could refer or apply to any of your threads, and sadly (as I think you have a lot to give to a discussion if you didn't make it such a high-handed lecture, as you always seem to do) this makes the title of the thread more appropriate if it were to read: "Why do people never take Soulflower seriously?"

Food for thought? As if...

What I don't understand about you and most of the people on this site is your so quick to lecture me about the way "I present my opinions" but I never hear you or anyone else lecturing the posters who make some of the most racist disrespectful things on this board or when people are getting bullied some of you "high and mighty intellectuals" sit quietly on the side lines and say nothing

BUT

There is always something so wrong about the way I state my opinions or try to engage the site in discussions every time I make a post.

I know I can be opinionated but I have never bullied or made disrespectful personally attacks or racist remarks that I often see a lot of posters do on this site that the moderators oddly do nothing about

I frankly don't care whether anyone takes me seriously or not because I am not really here to be liked by the group clique here on this site. I am cool with a select few here and I am fine with that. I don't need everyone to kiss my ass like alot of ya'll do.

There have been multiple racist things said about this topic in two threads but you felt the need to lecture me on "why people dont take my opinions seriously?" because to you that is more important than people making racist immature posts about police brutality?

Really?

I really don't take this post seriously at all because you need to be lecturing all the racist trolls who trolls these minority threads, not someone who is trying to bring awareness to a problem that affects a certain group of people.

YorkeDaddy · 04-30-2015, 04:06 PM

Ha! I knew it! She completely ignored the criticism and called everybody racist!

I'm rolling over here, this is just too hilarious

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