Death vs.Life

The Batlord · 04-20-2015, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

What about those who reoffend after being released early? I read a lot of stories about murderers/rapists/paedos who do some of their time, get out early and go do the same damn thing again. How often does that have to happen before you get something like a "three strikes and you're dead" rule? Is that being too reactionary?

Don't forget: I come from the country where we could have had ten innocent people executed by the British for crimes they categorically did not commit were the death penalty still in force there. I'm never sure how I stand on this issue. It's too late to say sorry when someone is proven innocent if you've hanged, electrocuted or shot or injected them, but it's also equally too late to apologise to the person who becomes the next victim of the guy you could have executed instead of imprisoning him for "life", which often does not mean what it says.

Surely at the very least, early or any parole should be denied someone imprisoned for murder/rape?

I'm not for executing anyone whose psychology doesn't basically make them human in physical form only (i.e. Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Albert Fish, etc.) Life in prison I'm all for. Depending on the case, two or three strikes and you get life is fine by me.

Chula Vista · 04-20-2015, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Yeh, and?

You don't agree he should be awaiting a death sentence for what he did to that child?

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

saving more lives by using him as "psychological guinea pig" than we would by simply executing him, then wouldn't it be in our best interests to keep him alive?

No.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Depending on the case, two or three strikes and you get life is fine by me.

Tell that to strikes one and two.

The Batlord · 04-20-2015, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

saving more lives by using him as "psychological guinea pig" than we would by simply executing him, then wouldn't it be in our best interests to keep him alive?

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

No.

Are you kidding me? You're more interested in killing somebody than people not being killed? What if my proposal had been implemented earlier, and had somehow led to this dude not killing that girl. Are you saying you wouldn't care, just so long as you got to kill some other guy from like twenty years earlier?

Seriously, either get a gun and go on a Punisher rampage, or ask yourself if your views actually reflect a useful solution to a problem.

Chula Vista · 04-20-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Seriously, either get a gun and go on a Punisher rampage, or ask yourself if your views actually reflect a useful solution to a problem.

Useful solution to a problem? So naive dude.

Did you read what he did to that girl? Pretend it's your little sister.

The Batlord · 04-20-2015, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Useful solution to a problem? So naive dude.

Yeah, I'm sure when they stopped drawing and quartering criminals there were people rolling their eyes at the liberal pantywaists. If you can save lives, then do it. If you can't, then try anyway and then try something else when that doesn't work. Don't just reject anything that doesn't allow you to indulge your revenge fantasies.

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Did you read what he did to that girl? Pretend it's your little sister.

Sometimes it's not useful to put yourself at the perceptual level. Sometimes, in order to come up with logical solutions, you have to maintain a detached objectivity. Whether or not that sounds heartless is irrelevant. If my idea saves more lives and helps more people than yours does, then that's all that matters.

DwnWthVwls · 04-20-2015, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

You don't agree he should be awaiting a death sentence for what he did to that child?

No. Did you read Jans posts that I quoted and said I agreed with? I think that pretty much sums it up.

And to be frank the fact that she was a child doesn't make the crime any worse in my eyes. I don't value the lives of children over adults.

Chula Vista · 04-20-2015, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I don't value the lives of children over adults.

Nor do I.

I value the child victim at the hands of an adult a bit differently though.

She was a 7 year old kid for christ's sake. Stolen out of her bed in the middle of the night. For the next 48 hours she was sexually abused and beaten. At one point she was punched so hard in the face that the coroner found her broken teeth lodged in her stomach.

I'll f*cking jump up and down with joy the day he's finally put down for what he did.

DwnWthVwls · 04-20-2015, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Nor do I.

I value the child victim at the hands of an adult a bit differently though.

Care to further explain? That sounds contradictory to me.

Chula Vista · 04-20-2015, 04:50 PM

F*ck it guys, I'm out. Way too emotionally vested.

The Batlord · 04-20-2015, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Care to further explain? That sounds contradictory to me.

I imagine he means that the type of person who is a child killer is likely more reprehensible than someone who kills an adult. I would agree actually. There's a psychological imperative that causes organisms to value the lives of their young more than full grown ones, and to overcome that probably takes a more aberrant individual.

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