RoxyRollah

You aint as pretty as the night stalker.

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Janszoon

I have no idea if that is or isn't true. But making life or death policy decisions without using any kind of research or data seems like a terrible idea to me.

Actually, I think there is something wrong with giving the state the authority to kill people, that's part of my issue with it.

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Chula Vista

It's not about me. It's about your willingness to help a man in desperate need.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

RoxyRollah

I dig where you are coming from Janszy, truly I get that side of the argument. But rather I don't think it's giving the state the authority to murder people in cold blood, there is a difference. It's about giving them the authority to say your crimes were so awful, so foul, you are deemed a danger to society and as a punishment for the things you did, in a sane state no less you are sentenced to death. What you did was just too awful to condemn you to a life in prison. Also something that is I don't think anyone really ever mentions is that prisons breed an atmosphere, for domination and torture. On the part of the inmates and on the part of jailers. So you kinda have a ****ty place to be at. A death sentence is almost a humane thing. Because on the prison totem pole say for instances, child killers are really really low, and some of the things I have heard from people I know that have done long stints of time in the creepy man prisons is borderline just as gruesome as what the offender did to the kid in the first place. I don't look a death as an eye for an eye, and to say that is friggin ignorant, it makes people with my stance look like callus uncaring people. No I am not about an eye for an eye, I am about someone paying for what they have done, and sometimes the things people have done to others can't even begin to be repaid even with the ending of the offenders life. I am pro victim and their families, it's not about the offender, and often times we make **** about them when in all actuality it's about the victim of the violent crime, and if you read, and watch tv you find a lot of people that had had horrible things happen to them say the same thing, put he/she to death. Because that is closure, true closure knowing that they aren't allowed any of the luxuries that life has to offer, be it an extra bag of commissary chips or a big house in the suburbs you feel me?

I agree with you, also that no we shouldn't put people death without looking at that facts, that is a heavy heavy job for anyone in the justice systems soul. You will always have **** ups situations that shouldn't happen, and the wrong person is put away, or gased. But to me that is simply a case of casual collateral damage. As nasty and terrible as it is, when high profile things like that happen. It should (imo) be looked at as a warning that, hey this kinda thing is serious, and we should keep ourselves in check and not hand the sentence out like it's going out of style. And when something like that happens, there should be major benefits, for the families of the wrongfully accused apologies from the commander and chief, right on down to the last jury member that voted yes. Their story should be shared, and yes a goddamn healthy sized check should be cut from the tax payers money that helped execute the person. It's not going to bring back their loved one, but it will go a long damn way to soothe the hurt to know an entire nation as a whole is sorry for what we put them through. And once that is said and done try like hell to find the real perpetrator.

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Chula Vista

Amen. Can't wait till this guy finally gets his day. And thankfully, DNA is making the rare mistakes further and far apart.

Murder of Danielle van Dam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He f*cking raped and abused her for days and at some point punched her teeth down her throat. I hope it burns really, really bad for him.

He'd agreed to a plea deal to give them the body days before it was found by searchers. Guilty as hell.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

RoxyRollah

Did you just read what I wrote, or only that one sentence? God love you and me too but, I can't get behind you with this statement. Put him to death yes, do it swiftly and be done with it. I am not about making it hurt, or having them writhing in anguish, if that were the case I'd say life in prison, because I guarantee when it gets out what he did, the things that will happen to him will ultimately worse then anything the state can do. But yes put him to death and allow those that were directly effected have their closure, if that's what they seek. I told you I am about paying for the crime. Not about torturing the offender.

There are very few situations where I advocate torture, but I can say yea I do. For me not admit that I'd be lying. If it for instances keeps, myself, mine and my country men safe and there isn't the time, resources or any other way, then yeah do it. National security to mean means a alot. America pushing around, profiling, hurting and abusing her people isn't my thing. But that argument isn't the point of this thread.

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John Wilkes Booth

actually, i think you make a good point as well

i think roxy is approaching this more from a perspective of justice rather than research. but both approaches have their merits and downsides.

edit - overall though i'd say the logical thing to do with a psychopath who committed a murder or whatever is have them do a thorough study of him and all that, and when the work on him is done then kill him.

also it sounds barbaric but i've always thought a simple way to execute people is just shoot them in the head. i don't see how that's any less humane than an injection or whatever and it's a hell of a lot cheaper.

Chula Vista

Roxy, this happened in my back yard. I literally cried every single night as the trial details were shown on the TV. If they'd let me I'd f*cking torture this piece of sh*t for days. What he did to that innocent 7 year old girl was unspeakable and not worthy of a single ounce of compassion.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Key

Oh. I'm totally cool with the death penalty. Just as long as I can have the body.

RoxyRollah

Yup. I am not saying my perspective is the correct one at all, it's just how I feel. I started this thread, because I wanted to know how everybody else felt about it, not have stats jammed down my throat. I didn't ask what the stats said, I asked how you guys feel.

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