democracy pt 3

grtwhtgrvty · 04-13-2015, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

I think Steve Earle put it best: "If you don't vote, don't bitch."

I think that the mindset that voting is the only thing you can do to spark change is really toxic and ignorant, as if you are actually doing anything by voting. Voting is slacktivism at it's best. If anything, people who do vote shouldn't bitch, because they are the ones perpetuating the system of government and allowing it to perpetuate.There are so many other methods of inciting change / revolution, whether it be protest, or creating alternative power structures that do not operate within the confines of Democracy, etc.

The Batlord · 04-13-2015, 11:36 PM

I wonder how people would react to someone setting off a bomb in Congress during a full session of the House of Representatives? Of course, "Boo terrorism! USA! USA! USA!" But does anyone actually care enough to feel bad over the loss of those people? In public there'd be outcry and all that ****, but I wonder just how much there would be behind closed doors.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 04-13-2015, 11:52 PM

the batlord has just been added to the fbi's watchlist

The Batlord · 04-13-2015, 11:57 PM

It's about ****ing time. I've been trying to get on that list for ages, but they're so stuck up.

Jonts · 04-14-2015, 04:34 AM

Apologies if this was mentioned in the previous thread, but here in the UK Russell Brand (ex Mr Katy Perry) has a similar viewpoint and Jeremy Paxman entirely failed (IMO) to ridicule him for it:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY9pk

Personally I fully agree with Brand; don't vote but make it known as loudly as possible why not.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 04-14-2015, 05:15 AM

his viewpoint is similar in that he doesn't think voting is all that useful. i agree with him on that point. though really i would say it should be taken on a case by case basis. i wouldn't tie myself down and resolve to never vote no matter what. if it seems like you might be able to tip the scales on a particular issue you care about then it might make sense for you to vote. but i think for the vast majority of us we're just not in that situation.

the rest of his **** with the vague revolution or whatever i'm not really on board with.

Lisnaholic · 02-28-2018, 08:24 AM

( http://www.musicbanter.com/games-lis...litz-game.html )

I don't really want to re-ignite the whole vote/don't vote debate which has been explored elsewhere already, but I will be interested to look at JWB's ant colony videos. To me it's often quite instructive to compare human behaviour to animal behaviour. How we are the same and how we are different both help to put our own species into perspective.

Oriphiel · 02-28-2018, 10:05 AM

Ha, I'd forgotten about grtwhtgrvty. Thought he was perma banned.

**Frownland** · 02-28-2018, 10:17 AM

Democracy is an interesting idea, we should try it out some time.

OccultHawk · 02-28-2018, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Democracy is an interesting idea, we should try it out some time.

It amuses me how the term democracy is has become synonymous with good governance. That way, instead of acknowledging the shortcomings of democracy they simply become undemocratic.

04-14-2015, 04:34 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jonts Groupie Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Longstanton Spice Museum Posts: 45	Apologies if this was mentioned in the previous thread, but here in the UK Russell Brand (ex Mr Katy Perry) has a similar viewpoint and Jeremy Paxman entirely failed (IMO) to ridicule him for it:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY9pk Personally I fully agree with Brand; don't vote but make it known as loudly as possible why not. Last edited by Jonts; 04-14-2015 at 04:35 AM. Reason: Proper youtube link

04-14-2015, 05:15 AM	#16 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	his viewpoint is similar in that he doesn't think voting is all that useful. i agree with him on that point. though really i would say it should be taken on a case by case basis. i wouldn't tie myself down and resolve to never vote no matter what. if it seems like you might be able to tip the scales on a particular issue you care about then it might make sense for you to vote. but i think for the vast majority of us we're just not in that situation. the rest of his **** with the vague revolution or whatever i'm not really on board with. Last edited by John Wilkes Booth; 04-14-2015 at 05:21 AM.

02-28-2018, 08:24 AM	#17 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	( http://www.musicbanter.com/games-lis...litz-game.html ) I don't really want to re-ignite the whole vote/don't vote debate which has been explored elsewhere already, but I will be interested to look at JWB's ant colony videos. To me it's often quite instructive to compare human behaviour to animal behaviour. How we are the same and how we are different both help to put our own species into perspective. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

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02-28-2018, 10:17 AM	#19 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Democracy is an interesting idea, we should try it out some time. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-13-2015, 11:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	the batlord has just been added to the fbi's watchlist