simplephysics

Weak argument, man. Once upon a time democratic voting was only intended for white land owning males.

Also, there are so many bureaucratic rights that that are associated with marriage that it absolutely SHOULD be extended to every citizen.

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Chula Vista

Damn right.

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DwnWthVwls

Yes, but gay people want to be "married", you hear tons of complaints about how extending the rights isn't good enough, they want marriage. I could be wrong since I never followed it much after it first got big, I just remember that being a major complaint.

As someone who doesn't give a sh*t about religion, I don't care how it works as long as gay people have the same rights as everyone else. I don't care if they can't get their "catholic wedding" or whatever, settle it with your church.

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it actually is an interesting conflict when you think about it

cause with businesses clearly so far the rule of the land seems to be discrimination isn't allowed based on sex/creed/race/orientation/etc

but then again there is the precedent of religious rights. meaning a religious instution has the right to practice their religion as they see fit, so what if discrimination is part of their religion in the kind of way like abrahamic religion's views on homosexuality/gay marriage?

then surely it would be unconstitutional to force a church to give a service for a gay wedding but it's fine to force a pizza place to cater a gay wedding. but then the pizza place is owned by citizens who can invoke their own constitutional rights and say that their religious freedom is being violated by forcing them to participate in a ceremony that their religion forbids.

but then what i and others have said about the parallels between this issue and the civil rights movement of the 60's is also true, so when you think about it the really critical difference is just that the predominant religions of our time don't have texts that promote racial segregation as a part of their religious values.

if they did then religious people could just as easily use their religious freedom to start white only diners as they could start hetero-only catering services. meaning the logical solution for anyone who wants to discriminate against anyone else is to start a cult that promotes discrimination against that group.

Chula Vista

Who needs a church to get married?

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simplephysics

That's a good point. City hall marriages are a thing. I don't know if they inherently include any kind of religious language, but I hope not.

I get what DWV is saying though. Calling it a civil union isn't good enough, even if it entails the same kind of legal rights for LGBT couples. A lot of people don't see those distinctions as being similar. There are homosexual Christians too.

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Frownland

I remember a certain regime that allowed for Jews to be refused service just because of their religious affiliation. Not sure how that all ended up tbh.

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Washington, Connecticut, and New York have banned all nonessential government-funded travel to Indiana. Hope other states follow suit. A statement from Governor Cuomo of New York:

"Today, I direct all agencies, departments, boards and commissions to immediately review all requests for state funded or state sponsored travel to the State of Indiana and to bar any such publicly funded travel that is not essential to the enforcement of state law or public health and safety. The ban on publicly funded travel shall take effect immediately.

New York State has been, and will continue to be, a leader in ensuring that all LGBT persons enjoy full and equal civil rights. With this action, we stand by our LBGT family members, friends and colleagues to ensure that their rights are respected."

Chula Vista

I got married in a back yard by a justice of the peace. Absolutely zero religious content.

Are Weddings Religious? - Atheists and Weddings

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Wpnfire

Oh piss. That's what I get for not paying attention in english class.

First of all, your usage of the word "Jew" there is interesting. The Jews were only referred to as such after Israel was created, and the creation of Israel coincided with instruction from God. Marriage was defined around that time.

oops. I mean jerusalem.

You're kinda scary in an argument. You're like three steps ahead of everybody else.

By the way, the answer is Germany circa 1940.

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