Indiana and Arkansas Religious Freedom Law

grindy · 04-01-2015, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

i dunno man i think the general consensus is that the civil rights movement worked

i mean i haven't been to any stores that only serve white people since i've been here, and i've been living in the south for a good 2-3 years now

Glad to hear that.

It's hard not to imagine the south as one big fat racist redneck stereotype, when you know it purely from popular culture.

The Batlord · 04-01-2015, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Glad to hear that.

It's hard not to imagine the south as one big fat racist redneck stereotype, when you know it purely from popular culture.

Well, we never killed six millions Jews, so take your stereotypes for what they are.

grindy · 04-01-2015, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Well, we never killed six millions Jews, so take your stereotypes for what they are.

I'm not German.:P

The Batlord · 04-01-2015, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

I'm not German.:P

Give me a nationality and I'm sure I can find a genocidal massacre in your past.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 04-01-2015, 04:52 PM

**** zeus was putting his wife hera in her place in the iliad like at least 500 years bc

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Originally Posted by zeus keeping his pimp hand strong

Then to her the father of gods and men made answer:
'Hera, do not go on hoping that you will hear all my thoughts, since these will be too hard for you, though you are my wife. Any thought that it is right for you to listen to, no one neither man nor any immortal shall hear it before you. But anything that apart from the rest of the gods I wish to plan, do not always question each detail nor probe me.'

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 04-01-2015, 06:15 PM

it actually is an interesting conflict when you think about it

cause with businesses clearly so far the rule of the land seems to be discrimination isn't allowed based on sex/creed/race/orientation/etc

but then again there is the precedent of religious rights. meaning a religious instution has the right to practice their religion as they see fit, so what if discrimination is part of their religion in the kind of way like abrahamic religion's views on homosexuality/gay marriage?

then surely it would be unconstitutional to force a church to give a service for a gay wedding but it's fine to force a pizza place to cater a gay wedding. but then the pizza place is owned by citizens who can invoke their own constitutional rights and say that their religious freedom is being violated by forcing them to participate in a ceremony that their religion forbids.

but then what i and others have said about the parallels between this issue and the civil rights movement of the 60's is also true, so when you think about it the really critical difference is just that the predominant religions of our time don't have texts that promote racial segregation as a part of their religious values.

if they did then religious people could just as easily use their religious freedom to start white only diners as they could start hetero-only catering services. meaning the logical solution for anyone who wants to discriminate against anyone else is to start a cult that promotes discrimination against that group.

**Frownland** · 04-01-2015, 06:35 PM

I remember a certain regime that allowed for Jews to be refused service just because of their religious affiliation. Not sure how that all ended up tbh.

ribbons · 04-01-2015, 06:55 PM

Washington, Connecticut, and New York have banned all nonessential government-funded travel to Indiana. Hope other states follow suit. A statement from Governor Cuomo of New York:

"Today, I direct all agencies, departments, boards and commissions to immediately review all requests for state funded or state sponsored travel to the State of Indiana and to bar any such publicly funded travel that is not essential to the enforcement of state law or public health and safety. The ban on publicly funded travel shall take effect immediately.

New York State has been, and will continue to be, a leader in ensuring that all LGBT persons enjoy full and equal civil rights. With this action, we stand by our LBGT family members, friends and colleagues to ensure that their rights are respected."

Psy-Fi · 04-02-2015, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ribbons

Washington, Connecticut, and New York have banned all nonessential government-funded travel to Indiana.

I'd like to see a permanent ban on all "nonessential" government-funded (taxpayer-funded) travel covering all 50 states. With clear definitions of "essential" and "nonessential." Not so much because of what's going on in Indiana but as a way to cut down on government spending in general.

Wpnfire · 04-01-2015, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

i said marriage pre-dates chrsitianity, then you brought up neanderthals which are a different species from us.

Oh piss. That's what I get for not paying attention in english class.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

How about if you're just shown all of the Jews in the Old Testament who were married? Will that demonstrate that marriage predates Christianity for you?

First of all, your usage of the word "Jew" there is interesting. The Jews were only referred to as such after Israel was created, and the creation of Israel coincided with instruction from God. Marriage was defined around that time.

oops. I mean jerusalem.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I remember a certain regime that allowed for Jews to be refused service just because of their religious affiliation. Not sure how that all ended up tbh.

You're kinda scary in an argument. You're like three steps ahead of everybody else.

By the way, the answer is Germany circa 1940.

04-01-2015, 06:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I remember a certain regime that allowed for Jews to be refused service just because of their religious affiliation. Not sure how that all ended up tbh. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-01-2015, 06:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	it actually is an interesting conflict when you think about it cause with businesses clearly so far the rule of the land seems to be discrimination isn't allowed based on sex/creed/race/orientation/etc but then again there is the precedent of religious rights. meaning a religious instution has the right to practice their religion as they see fit, so what if discrimination is part of their religion in the kind of way like abrahamic religion's views on homosexuality/gay marriage? then surely it would be unconstitutional to force a church to give a service for a gay wedding but it's fine to force a pizza place to cater a gay wedding. but then the pizza place is owned by citizens who can invoke their own constitutional rights and say that their religious freedom is being violated by forcing them to participate in a ceremony that their religion forbids. but then what i and others have said about the parallels between this issue and the civil rights movement of the 60's is also true, so when you think about it the really critical difference is just that the predominant religions of our time don't have texts that promote racial segregation as a part of their religious values. if they did then religious people could just as easily use their religious freedom to start white only diners as they could start hetero-only catering services. meaning the logical solution for anyone who wants to discriminate against anyone else is to start a cult that promotes discrimination against that group.

04-01-2015, 06:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
ribbons Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,265	Washington, Connecticut, and New York have banned all nonessential government-funded travel to Indiana. Hope other states follow suit. A statement from Governor Cuomo of New York: "Today, I direct all agencies, departments, boards and commissions to immediately review all requests for state funded or state sponsored travel to the State of Indiana and to bar any such publicly funded travel that is not essential to the enforcement of state law or public health and safety. The ban on publicly funded travel shall take effect immediately. New York State has been, and will continue to be, a leader in ensuring that all LGBT persons enjoy full and equal civil rights. With this action, we stand by our LBGT family members, friends and colleagues to ensure that their rights are respected."