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View Poll Results: Do you like socialism? (explain reasons in thread)
Yes 17 58.62%
No 11 37.93%
I'm confused 1 3.45%
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is that supposed to be a counter-argument? Cause I don't disagree, and it doesn't undermine my position.

Except for the mental state vs luck thing.. That's horseshit. Every single person can strive to do better and likely will do better even if it's still minimum wage for life. Luck is just that.
Actually, it completely destroys your whole stance. I find it funny that you actually agreed with me until that edit. Shows that you admit that I'm right, that our current economy literally couldn't function if everybody was allowed to be a winner, that every single thing you achieve supposedly due to your own bootstrappy hard work is actually indebted to the "lazy" grunts you **** on. Society needs slaves, either willing or otherwise, and it will get those slaves. All the feel-good mentalities in the world won't help the people that need to suffer for you to live in your current comfort.

Were you born in a situation where you have one disabled parent and a bunch of younger siblings to feed, and you are the only one that can support all of them, but only through giving up your future in lieu of double shifts at multiple minimum wage jobs? Did you grow up in a ****ty neighborhood, and get permanently crippled after getting caught in the crossfire of a drive-by? Were you born with a mental disorder that went undiagnosed in your school years, and destroyed any hope of a scholarship? Did you develop a life threatening illness, and have to choose between college and not dying?

And I don't think I even need to mention the countries we outsource to and depend on, that are more overt in asserting wage slavery castes. Try telling a peasant in India to shut and work harder and be happy, and maybe one day he'll be a cool dude.

And I gave you an example. Actually, I gave you thousands; the name Monsanto is enough. Google their ****fests at your leisure, like how they spread their patented engineered seeds on farmland that they want, and blackmail the owners to sell out dirt cheap or be sued into oblivion for patent infringement. In fact, look up all of the major corporations active in America, and have fun sorting through their collective atrocities.

America is a roulette wheel. You place your bet where you want, and some win while most lose, because the casino couldn't function unless most lose. Every winner walks away thinking it's because they're such a good gambler. The truth is that only the house ever really wins.
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Actually, it completely destroys your whole stance. I find it funny that you actually agreed with me until that edit. Shows that you admit that I'm right, that our current economy literally couldn't function if everybody was allowed to be a winner
You clearly don't understand my definition of winner and I know plenty about Monsanto.

Get back to me when you can answer my question and not just bitch and moan.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I've destroyed everything you've written. You even agree with me, and my examples. The comfort and success you enjoy couldn't exist without millions worldwide being in misery. It's easy to say that happiness is a state of mind, or that wealth isn't a gauge of who is a true winner, when you're not the one in the sweatshop.

You agree that our society needs people forced into wage slavery so that people like you can exist above it. And yet you think telling someone to grab their bootstraps (which were made by kids in China, btw) when the whole basis and stability of our economy is hedged on the fact that millions literally can't rise above poverty or else **** can't funcion, is bizarre.

The first part of dealing with a problem is to recognize that there is one. Whether I have an alternative or not is irrelevent.
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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But instead of you halfheatedly trying to wave away all of those pesky parts of my posts where I disproved your weird bootstrap fallacy because "wah, but you didn't answer some vague query I half posited, therefore nah to everything", how about we let the audience decide?
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