FRED HALE SR.

I didn't forget you Epoch, i'm just growing keyboard weary fighting this battle alone. LOL I think in theory alot of what you say holds weight, but there are so many more flaws invested in Socialism.

Jame's, sorry to hear about your families plight. I certainly wish your family the best. I think what people are missing is that Socialism isn't some magical cure all and it isn't gonna change anyones current situation.

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EPOCH6

Right, and I think I made it pretty clear that I'm not suggesting socialism as a preferable alternative to what we have now. I'm only suggesting that a lot of us are too easy on capitalism, we get so caught up in our own success and work ethic that we forget how we got here in the first place and how there are many people out there who weren't in a position like ours. We need to stop saying things like "Everybody has equal opportunity" or "Everybody has the potential to do this or that", it's over-generalizing, it's failing to acknowledge people with disabilities, birth defects, and mental illnesses, it's failing to acknowledge being born into poverty, it's failing to acknowledge being scammed by others. It's that kind of ignorance that allows holes in the system to sneak by unchecked. If we want capitalism to continue working as well as it does it needs to monitored, we can't just kneel down before it, we must identify its flaws and address them in one way or another. That doesn't mean pushing for socialism, that means adapting the current system to suit a complex society where not everybody is born in the same neighborhood.

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FRED HALE SR.

I noticed you mentioned that capitalism was a far better option, I was merely saying that to address the forum. I actually agree with about 90 percent of what you've written so I think we're on the same page. And I acknowledge that Capitalism has its faults, albeit I see it as the only alternative. People with disabilities/birth defects/mental illnesses are afforded care and job assistance that others are not privy to so I disagree in a sense with that assessment. Being born into poverty even affords you certain student loans and scholarships that people are not afforded in slightly different tax brackets. I've seen a drastic amount of change in that aspect since i've left school. I think more opportunity is out there then not. The current system isn't without its flaws but then again there isn't much in the World without flaws. I do have to say you've given me much more to think about in challenging capitalist society then the people who want to adopt socialism as a real means.

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