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07-01-2020, 07:46 PM | #351 (permalink) |
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07-01-2020, 07:51 PM | #352 (permalink) | |
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You do realize that it was a civil war, correct? As in more than one faction? As in Catalonian socialism didn't evolve into Franco?
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07-01-2020, 08:36 PM | #353 (permalink) | |
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I can see the same thing happening here. Just because some of the millennials and Gen Z want socialism doesn't mean that the rest of the groups within American society won't react to crush it with the help of big businesses like Amazon, Comcast, and others that have an extreme amount to lose if socialism became the flavor of the week. I don't understand why this concern of mine is so difficult to understand but it probably has a lot to do with wishful thinking and pie-in-the-sky idealized visions of utopia; wherein these two generations will take to the streets with their pink pussy hats, crust punk wardrobes, and hammer and sickle flags & the people in power will just voluntarily say "Oh they hate us, we had better step aside and let them have their socialism" With the stranglehold that the 0.01% has on the American information infrastructure I can easily see them reacting by saying "Ok, we'll have socialism" and then you'll just have a form of fascism that will be called socialism... just like how the USSR was apparently "state capitalism" but called themselves socialist. It's wishful thinking at best, horribly naive at it's worst and the groupthink doesn't surprise me at all with having dealt with DSA in the past when I actually believed socialism was a viable future & then the reality was that nobody can agree on anything aside from the need for ever increasing virtue signals to "marginalized groups" (that they all somehow manage to fall into, despite being uniformly white and upper middle class)
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07-01-2020, 08:42 PM | #354 (permalink) |
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Why do people with the most generic ideas possible accuse others of group thinking?
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I don't think anyone truly believes that marching in the street will result in true socialism since they're well aware the power that the establishment has and that they won't give it up short of violent revolution with their heads on spikes. They're either just satisfied with or willing to settle for something more along the lines of Sweden or Denmark which are far less ****ty than America.
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07-01-2020, 08:59 PM | #357 (permalink) |
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Social lite.
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07-01-2020, 09:18 PM | #358 (permalink) | |
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But there absolutely is a lot in this country that needs to change. I'm not arguing against that, but any change that's going to occur needs to be beyond meaningless gestures and virtue signals that make white upper-middle class post graduates feel like "allies" to "marginalized groups". We could start by ending all of these stupid multi-decade wars. I really think that would be the most meaningful first step, and then after that we can rebuild the country's decaying infrastructure, including heavily investing in free or inexpensive public transportation (I'd personally like to see monorails) to the point where it would cause a significant reduction in personal vehicles: that's one big financial liability gone for a lot of people living at the poverty line & less black trucks on the road. Those are two things we could just do. One tomorrow and one by the end of the next five or so years depending on how well we mobilize for it.
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