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View Poll Results: Do you like socialism? (explain reasons in thread)
Yes 17 58.62%
No 11 37.93%
I'm confused 1 3.45%
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:56 PM   #301 (permalink)
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Ew you're a classical liberal?
No, I'm actually an anti-authoritarian; if I'm anything.

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Old 06-30-2020, 06:01 PM   #302 (permalink)
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So you're a socialist.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:13 PM   #303 (permalink)
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So you're a socialist.
No, socialism depends on authoritarianism in order to accomplish its goals & we've seen that through history.

Like I said in the other thread, I had family members (who I knew) who were in a Nazi concentration camp (Sobibor); I don't take kindly to any sort of mass movements because I know what tends to happen when people get swept up in big ideas... the next thing you know, there are prison camps and bodies being bulldozed into ditches.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:20 PM   #305 (permalink)
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No, he doesn't drive - remember, he's against socialism.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:26 PM   #306 (permalink)
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I'm not getting the reference to the black truck
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No, socialism depends on authoritarianism in order to accomplish its goals & we've seen that through history.

Like I said in the other thread, I had family members (who I knew) who were in a Nazi concentration camp (Sobibor); I don't take kindly to any sort of mass movements because I know what tends to happen when people get swept up in big ideas... the next thing you know, there are prison camps and bodies being bulldozed into ditches.
No, Leninism and its descendants like Maoism depends on authoritarianism. Those ideologies developed in agrarian peasant societies where there wasn't the developed industry prescribed by socialism to be able to come into in the first place so the Bolsheviks conceived of an authoritarian interim to mold the country into a proper industrial nation before morphing into an actual socialist "government".

Socialist thinkers never posited this authoritarian state before the Bolsheviks as far as I know. An authoritarian state would be antithetical to socialism. You sound like an anarchist who doesn't really know what anarchist socialism actually is.
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You sound like an anarchist who doesn't really know what anarchist socialism actually is.
I'm not an anything, I don't do ideologies. I have my own ideas and they're basically "Don't do it around me" and "fvck you, no; I'm not doing that"
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How is authoritarianism antithetical to socialism when socialism is the state controlling the means of production?

I can see it being antithetical to communism but not socialism.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:49 PM   #310 (permalink)
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I'm not much for ideologies either as I don't think I've ever heard an ideology that wasn't doomed to failure and/or oppression, but anarchist socialism still has my moral support.
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