Socialism

**Frownland** · 09-12-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Actually it's pretty logical. If you can show me evidence that they lack the capacity to not do heroin after never having major surgery or having a medical problem that got them into pain killers than I'd gladly reconsider my judgment for that individual. Deciding to do pills because they seem fun and then progressing to heroin is your fault.

The focus on blame is the emotional element.

DwnWthVwls · 09-12-2018, 03:45 PM

If you say so.

~~MicShazam~~ · 09-12-2018, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Actually it's pretty logical. If you can show me evidence that they lack the capacity to not do heroin after never having major surgery or having a medical problem that got them into pain killers than I'd gladly reconsider my judgment for that individual. Deciding to do pills because they seem fun and then progressing to heroin is your fault.

You're technically not wrong, but life is hard and people make mistakes. Rationality is actually pretty weak in the face of temptation and emotion. I feel sorry for people who fall into hard drugs. It's what makes sense to me, when I consider the bigger picture. It's easy to sit there with a life that's fully under control and scold others for being in the middle of a train wreck.

DwnWthVwls · 09-12-2018, 04:01 PM

I'm not scolding anyone. I'm making an evaluation of whos fault it is, and other people dont like to hear it.

DwnWthVwls · 09-12-2018, 04:04 PM

Yeah, evidence is a real bitch.

~~MicShazam~~ · 09-12-2018, 04:07 PM

But what's the next step after determining whose "fault" something is. That's really where the political differences will show.

DwnWthVwls · 09-12-2018, 04:12 PM

At the end of the day this is what it boils down to and the point of contention between elph and I.

Rather elph likes it or not the current social system/economy/whatever does not have the funds or the means to support everyone. I feel that determining fault(blame, for Frownland) is the best way to decide how to distribute support. Arguing that everyone deserves support is not something I'm opposed to except for that fact that it absolutely isn't currently a realistic solution. I think it should be something we try to achieve, but currently someone has to get the short straw and thats the absolute reality of the world. The people trying to better themselves and the ones who got stuck in a **** situation beyond their control without question qualify for support before the ones who dont.

Develop a realistic solution to save humanity and support every single person in need and I'll back you 100%.

~~MicShazam~~ · 09-12-2018, 04:16 PM

There's plenty of money if you take them from the defence budget and the 1%. That's why right wing policy (as it usually goes anyway) will always be indefensible.

DwnWthVwls · 09-12-2018, 04:19 PM

Cool. Do we have access to it? Nope, so stop burying your head in the fantasy sand. I said realistic solutions, taking from the rich is not a realistic solution, until it is and at that time we can have a new discussion on how to distribute the wealth to increase social support.

Ive already conceded I'm not opposed to working towards the kind of goal either of you are offering, but naive solutions like "o just take it from the rich" is sadly uninformed, oversimplified, and ambitious af.

DwnWthVwls · 09-12-2018, 04:26 PM

It's not realistic, because it's achievable but short of a revolution it AINT gonna happen. So find a different solution or accept working towards it as a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong term goal.

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09-12-2018, 04:07 PM	#266 (permalink)
~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,634	But what's the next step after determining whose "fault" something is. That's really where the political differences will show.

09-12-2018, 04:16 PM	#268 (permalink)
~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,634	There's plenty of money if you take them from the defence budget and the 1%. That's why right wing policy (as it usually goes anyway) will always be indefensible.