I think it's completely okay. I don't see it as desperate or embarrassing at all. **** the rules. Gender shouldn't matter.

I never understood why anyone (guy or girl) would surprise propose anyway. like shouldn't they talk about such things before anyone pops the question. and then at that point the question is more of a formality anyway.

the op asked specifically if we've moved past this sort of thing. i'm saying not by a long shot. at least not based on my irl experience.

going out on a limb is seen as a romantic gesture. i can see why, too. rendering it a mere formality seems to take something away from the significance of the gesture to me.

When my bf and I became official it was after a night of partying following a month of "hanging out," "watching movies" and such. When we woke up I rolled over and asked "are you my boyfriend?" to which he replied "uh, I wanna be!"

I imagine our engagement would happen similarly.

that's a nice story.

come to think of it i don't usually like to bring up labels early on when pursuing a girl. i basically just try to gauge whatever her expectations are of me at that moment and go with that if i'm still interested.

but something about marriage just seems different. like the entire thing seems sort of ritualistic to me. but i've never been there so maybe i just don't know.

:clap:

this kid gets it.

I'm not the type of girl that has an easy time making a move like this but the promise isn't gonna come my way any other way.

Off-topic: I'd just like it to be known that I, a heterosexual man, have twice proposed to my heterosexual best friend. It was for tax purposes, but the offers were still made. He declined.

…wait, so you're going to pop the question to Ki?

Oh well YA KNOW SOMEDAY.

Someday.

I'm just trying to gauge the...the male ... opinion.