I discussed this with LadyisLingering I think it was. This is why there should be a zero tolerance policy wrt drink driving. If you've drank alcohol, you can't drive.

Otherwise you get chaps like JWB thinking they haven't drank enough.

edit - feel like I'm being trolled. Are you being serious m80.

yea.. i'm being serious. when i say a few drinks i mean just that. let's say 3-4 over a decent span of time. enough to blow over the limit but not enough to make me stumble around like an idiot. i passed the damn sobriety test that they gave me, that's supposed to test my motor skills, is it not? so what makes you think this is such a dangerous thing to do?

The cool thing about being big is that I can drink 5 beers before I'd blow a .08 (over a half hour or greater span).

does it go by weight?

It goes by weight, gender, amount of drinks, and time consumed. I can drink 4 and be fine as long as I didn't shotgun them and jump in the car.

I still wouldn't do buzzed driving though, I was just saying.

how much do you weigh?

There are some things you just don't ask a lady.

190.

that's why i didn't ask you

ohhhhh dude burnnnn

You should PM Roxxy and ask her about her weight. She'll be happy that you asked.

i don't care about her weight. i'm gonna ask her what's her blood type

Yeah, from what little I know of drinking, you may not be drunk, and you may be able to drive, but your reaction time is down, your responses are slower and your attention is not focussed. It only takes one kid walking out from a parked car or one headlight in your face or whatever you drivers have to put up with on a daily basis to cause an accident. Or your "slightly inebriated" state might make you more angry/negative towards perhaps harmless incidents like cutting off or changing lanes, and you could react differently to how you would if sobre.

It's not up to you, JWB, or anyone, to decide how over-the-limit or sobre you are. The law is there for a reason and you can't, or shouldn't, choose to follow which ones you do. The law is absolute, it is not open to interpretation, at least in this important case.

What would you do if you did have an accident? Say "Oh I thought I was okay to drink and drive?" Yeah, the judge will love that. :rolleyes: It's this "I'm okay" attitude that leads to so many accidents. You can't say you're okay: you're under the influence of a substance, and everyone knows that you can't make the same rational decisions you do when sobre when there's alcohol in your system. Same reason people say "Gimme my keys I can drive" while another, sobre person will shake their head and say "I'll call you a taxi."

:laughing:

No I weigh a buck 65 thanks so much for asking.

Edit: AB- thanks so much for asking.

Never ever do it these days. Did it a lot in the past. Barely escaped death at 16 riding shotgun in a van with a blitzed driver. Everyone who saw the wreck said I should have been killed.

people drive tired or emotionally distressed to similar effects (and is more dangerous than having a casual beer).

Agreed, but that's not necessarily an arranged thing. You can stay up too long or work too hard and be tired, sure, or drive away from a bad meeting with your ex or whatever, and in those cases it's true you should probably exercise common sense and not drive till you've recovered. But it doesn't hold a candle to driving while under the influence of alcohol, which IS an arranged thing. Nobody goes out and gets accidentally drunk. You know damn well what you're doing, and it's your fault then if you have an accident.

Also, saying this happens and that happens is not an excuse. You could say well people talk on their mobile phones while driving, but all that does is add another category to the things people should not do when driving. And for my money, drink driving is at the top of the list.

It's actually illegal to touch your phone while driving in Ontario. Bloody good idea, IMO. Talking isn't so bad, but when people start texting…

i don't think the arranged vs not arranged distinction is really all that important. i can see your point to an extent, but all in all the fact that you didn't mean to get tired doesn't make it any less dangerous.

What about hands free devices?

They're OK. I actually saw a cop talking on her cell phone while driving yesterday, believe it or not. It didn't look like a police radio.…

i remember hearing something about how it's actually no less dangerous to use bluetooth than it is to just talk on the phone. seems counter intuitive. could be incorrect too, i dunno. but it was something along the lines of the distraction from the convo is what makes it dangerous, not necessarily having to hold the phone.

yeah its not an excuse. im not talking about getting drunk tho. a couple beers during dinner and watching sports =/= drunk. I don't think having one beer is a big deal, for me atleast, as I don't think it hinders driving skills in any discernible way ie I don't get tipsy or anything. I know my own personal limits and if ever I was worried that I was incapable of driving I would not do so. even if I was drunk.

i really get the vibe from some people in this thread that they regard alcohol with an almost mystic level of distrust

thread related: i will be attending a catholic church that serves real wine as part of communion tomorrow. i really hope i can find a designated driver so that i won't be in danger of plowing into a farmer's market

No, I didn't say it was. I just said that with drinking there's a higher probability of you having an accident, and just like being tired, you can rest and wait (or stay over/get a lift/whatever) with drink you can do the same. I must admit though, I have yet to hear of an accident caused by someone who was tired. The difference may be that you will REALISE you're tired, stop and do something about it, even if it's only sleeping in your car for a few hours (says he who does not and never has driven), but if you realise you're drunk or affected by drink the same idea does not seem to apply. Nobody says "I better book into a hotel because I'm too drunk to drive" ...
Don't you know cops are above the law?
You're right there: just talking on the phone, even with a handsfree (which is legal here) is dangerous. It is indeed the attention you divert from your driving that is the killer, sometimes literally. But holding the phone just gives you one less hand to steer with and one more thing to juggle in your brain.
Yeah but I still think you're no judge of how drink will affect you. If you have a drink then you should not drive. It should be that simple. Again, says he who never drives....
Not alcohol. Some (not all) people who abuse it. Guns don't kill people etc...
Well if you do, be happy that you will be doing God's work. :)

well as long as you've yet to hear of one, i'm sure it never happens.


honestly though trollheart you don't drink and you apparently don't drive so really it doesn't seem like you have much to go on here besides the fact that you always hear about it in the news when a drunk driver crashes.

Falling asleep at the wheel is quite common.

Sleep-deprived driving - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

how am I not? ive had casual beers for years now so I know how it affects me more than anyone. if I got into an accident after having one beer I guarantee the alcohol would not be the cause.

Your attitude is the problem, and I don't mean that in an antagonistic way, but people who say "Oh I can drive, I'm fine, I only had one beer" are missing the point. I'd love to see some statistics of accidents that have been caused by people who "just had one beer". You're not alone, not by a long way: most people I worked with would "chance it". But once you're under the influence you are susceptible, and I just personally think you should not be chancing it.

Easy for me to say, yes, as I don't drink, but I bet a lot of people who caused accidents thought they were okay to drink. Admittedly, there are those who get behind the wheel stinking drunk, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that it's those who are only slightly above the limit who get into accidents. I would try to look it up but I'm way too busy and I don't want to start an argument here, or at least a bigger one. I just feel drink driving should be a zero tolerance thing: you don't know what's going to happen any more than I do, so why take the risk?

@JWB I don't behead people either but I see it on the news. What does your comment prove? The news is stuffed with stories about lives wiped out by people who were drunk or over the limit. Admittedly, speeding also plays a part but this is often allied to drink driving. How can you say I've nothing to go on? The stats are there from the road safety associations: it's not like it's a disputed idea. It happens, all the time. Just because I don't drink does not mean I can't believe what I see in the news. If you saw the wrecks of cars and the funerals we've had to watch here in Ireland (and I'm sure it's the same where you are) you might think twice about dismissing the idea, or saying it's only something a person who drinks can comment on, which I think is possibly one of the least intelligent things you've said on this forum. I don't need to drink to know that drinking and driving don't mix. It's pure common sense.

well im not rationalizing this when im drinking. I know, being completely sober, that i can drive after a single beer. i don't get drunk or tipsy after a pint. i get the whole "zero tolerance" thing but its just impractical (plus laws, here atleast, allow you to be over 0 if you have a certain license). i go to a restaurant, have a pint with my meal, and then leave. im not calling a cab every time i go out to eat. there are many more dangerous yet technically legal things people do while driving than having a single drink.

Ya, I'm able to drive fine with a mellow buzz. I probably drive better than straight when like that. My big problem is my speech get's slurry after only one drink, so if I were to be pulled over I'd be screwed.

Dude, the TV told Trollheart "drink driving" is bad, m'kay, so that's all there is to it. Don't argue.

it's unintelligent to point out that you have no experience to fall back on, meaning you must rely strictly on 2nd hand information, and thus might be unable to detect some of the nuances in this kind of discussion?

i wouldn't have said this prior to our discussion just cause you don't drink or drive. but when you come at it with such an all-or-nothing approach and then announce that you have no experience in either realm, don't get mad at me when i connect those dots for you.

and yea, i've seen tons of tragic drunk driving incidents. they all involved someone who was completely ****faced.

Said the man with no experience with DXM,and Islamic countries.

difference is that i try to explain the nuances rather than just posture about how much i know

:laughing: :laughing:

You can't be serious?

We need a death match.

I got $20 on Roxy.

i'm dead serious. you're the queen of keeping it ambiguous.

Make it $40.

No Im the queen of not talking ABOUT **** to you.

same difference.