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Frownland 01-22-2015 04:54 PM

Plants are so smart.

Xurtio 01-22-2015 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1542129)
it's cool. most people generally seem to assume i'm hetero. tbh i really want nothing to do with the 'LGBT community' and i dislike the stereotypes and identity-baggage that comes along with identifying as anything other than straight.

Well, John Wilkes Booth comes off as a very hetero dude.

I hear you, people nail stereotypes to you and don't let you escape them sometimes. After people find out I'm a scientist, they start having all kinds of weird expectations, like I'm not allowed to have subjective feelings about things or something.

Oriphiel 01-22-2015 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1542144)
actually plants develop fruit for the intention of being eaten. it's like when bees pollinate flowers, the idea being to spread as far as possible and ensure greater genetic variety.

Not all fruits are edible. In fact, there are many fruits that are poisonous, developing that way specifically to avoid being eaten until they can drop and rot naturally (the rotting skin provides nourishment for the seeds).

Regardless, that's not what i'm talking about. The cells in a plant communicate with each other in a way that is similar to what complex creatures experience as "pain" (although without a nerve system, it is a rather limited response to stimuli). They grow towards the factors that allow it to survive for as long as possible and to the furthest extent of quality (for example, flowers leaning towards sunlight, vines moving in whatever way allows them to latch unto other plants, etc.) Just because a plant can't communicate that it wants to survive doesn't mean that it doesn't want to live as much as any other living creature.

Obviously, you can't feel too much grief for dead plants, or else you'd end up holding a funeral for every broken blade of grass. All i'm saying is that the distinctions we create between living creatures over which we should ingest or not, deciding which "deserves/wants to live more" than the other, are kind of foolish. Still, I feel bad for creatures that feel needless pain, which is why I avoid certain meats/companies until current practices are changed.

John Wilkes Booth 01-22-2015 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1542143)
Butch or femme?

femme, but i would only want to **** other femme girls as well. don't really see the appeal in tomboys personally
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Originally Posted by Xurtio (Post 1542159)
Well, John Wilkes Booth comes off as a very hetero dude.

I hear you, people nail stereotypes to you and don't let you escape them sometimes. After people find out I'm a scientist, they start having all kinds of weird expectations, like I'm not allowed to have subjective feelings about things or something.

i honestly think i would've been pure hetero had i not been friends with one particular dude when i was a teenager. i am honestly pretty close to being straight i think... i have a pretty strong preference for women... but i'm pretty open minded sexually

most non-straights seem to think you are born that way, and i think some are. but honestly i think sexuality is not as static as mostly would tend to believe. that movie about kensey sort of touches on this as well. not sure how accurate it was to kensey's real theories, as i haven't really looked into his work much.

Chula Vista 01-22-2015 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1542164)

most non-straights seem to think you are born that way, and i think some are.

My mom told me she was attracted to women from the earliest she could remember.

John Wilkes Booth 01-22-2015 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1541466)
Neither do plants, or other living creatures that display time and again that they'd rather live than die, but we humans have to eat something to survive. As long as the methods are humane, and the animals are given decent lives (as well as the method of slaughtering being as painless as possible, which is why I rarely eat pork), then modern consumption of meat is pretty much just an extension of the hunting/meat eating that allowed humanity to survive more adequately to the point where we could develop the ground-work for society as we know it.

And yes, I know I could respond in the creepy animal thread, but it's a dead thread and I don't want to necro-bump it. And honestly, why not just talk about it here? A decent conversation would actually make this thread worth reading, instead of just being the big joke that everyone is treating it as.

well the thread was basically questioning the moral distinction between financially supporting factory farming through the consumption of meat (which is arguably a pretty cruel process) for the sake of pleasing your tastebuds (as you don't really need to eat meat to survive anymore if you live in a developed country and have even a modest income) and having sex with animals for the sake of satiating one's perverse sexual desires. basically, the argument is that i don't believe animals truly do have any real 'rights' to speak of. at least not in any consistent sense. so talking about needing their 'consent' is really quite silly when you think about it. we don't need their consent to murder them or exploit them in a variety of other ways, yet we need their consent to sexually exploit them? it's just a bit silly to me. but i honestly don't really care that much anymore. it was just a thought i had some months ago. i'm not about to march on washington for some pervert's right to **** sheep any time soon. i just get a kick out of questioning cultural taboos.

John Wilkes Booth 01-22-2015 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1542166)
My mom told me she was attracted to women from the earliest she could remember.

that's cool. but my friend who is gay told me he wasn't attracted to guys in his early childhood. and i know i was straight until i was about 14-16. so like i said it might not be a black or white question.

ladyislingering 01-22-2015 06:14 PM

I'd blow a transgirl.

Many moons ago I made out with my sweetie while he was dolled up like a lady. A+. 10/10. Would do a thousand times.

Xurtio 01-22-2015 06:16 PM

There's both a genetic component and a social component. But the social component is predicated on open-mindedness, which may, itself, have a strong genetic component.

Anyway, I don't really get the moral argument that people use this for; whether they were born that way or chose to be that way, it's a right they should be allowed.

John Wilkes Booth 01-22-2015 06:18 PM

^i agree. same with ****ing sheep imo.


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