I have never once said all Muslims are like that and I've made a point consistently on here when criticising Islam that I'm not talking about Muslims as people, of course it is a minority, I'm not sure if you know the demographics of Birmingham and in particular the ward I live in but I go to the match with Muslims who drink and gamble, I know very well they aren't all extreme or even practising. There are moderates in everything from party politics to sport to whatever you like.

But it's Islam that typically responds like this which is why I mentioned the South Park thing. Look at the Danish cartoons. It's Islam we have to tiptoe around to protect it's delicate sensibilities. Even Maajid is saying it.

1.6bn btw.

Fair enough.

Looks like they've caught the guys that did it.

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It isn't about whether it's right to mock Muslims and Islam--they cannot tolerate ANY criticism no matter what the intent is. To say, we shouldn't mess with them because they are dangerous speaks volumes about why something needs to be done about them.

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anyone who even considers kowtowing to these bearded rascals should be deported to iraq so they can live under sharia away from the rest of us

I think that's a very small minority of people. In all honesty I wouldn't be surprised if this backfires and depictions of Muhammed become all the rage. Shoving our freedom of speech in their faces, so to speak.

honestly i don't necessarily want to be antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic either. i mean i know i'm not going to go around drawing muhammad just to prove i can. is a certain point at which that's just being an obnoxious ******* for the sake of it. i just think that when **** like this goes down we have to stick up for the obnoxious *******s and let the extremists know that their tactics aren't going to make us compromise free speech. if extremists just attacked the *******s with words instead of bombs then i would say it's all fair game.

I don't think anyone has the right to force their way of life on anyone else. Everyone is entitled to live how they choose as long a they don't interfere with someone else's ability to do the same. Maybe that's an oversimplification but no matter what it's not acceptable to murder people because they don't agree with you. Unless it's the only option, I guess. IDK, conflict and violence appear to be a part of the human experience. Doesn't make it right or wrong, that's just part of being alive and human. In a more well-informed world maybe that wouldn't be the case but I feel that world is a ways away if it's anywhere to be found at all. More likely we'll become extinct before something so ****ing simple could happen. Bummer, dude.

Any person who uses religion to justify murder is someone who can't even take the responsibility of ending another's life, and that's ****ing cowardly.

I have two things I'm really worried about, the amount of innocent people that were killed, and how their families have to live with it, and the effect that these men had on Muslims. It's really frustrating seeing these zealots tout their supposed beliefs, and act as the voice of Islam. All they do is paint a bad picture for actual followers with their warped version of Islam, and push this warped one as the one and true. They are nothing but saboteurs and apostates with guns and no appreciation for life... or humor...

If someone told me to stop doing something or they would kill me I would absolutely keep doing that thing, and that does not make me the insane one.

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Violence just encourages more violence. It's not a problem solver.