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i think that there is a trend to reject certain modern liberal values in certain religions. it has been an ongoing conflict for some time now and it honestly isn't specific to islam. the same antipathy towards modern liberal values that islamists have is displayed in christian fundamentalists as well. it's not all just so and so's country got bombed so now they're angry. a lot of islamic terrorists are actually from wealthy backgrounds and highly educated. they believe firmly in their religious perspective and they believe that a caliphate under islam is both desirable and necessary. yes this mentality has been affected by imperialism. for example western imperialism marginalized the governments in a lot of these countries and empowered the mosques which helped fan the flames for this type of fundamentalism. but it isn't strictly about anger over imperialism... believe it or not there are a number of different world views out there and some of them don't gel all that well with modern liberalism. once again look into sayyid qutb. he was disgusted by sexual liberation in his time spent in the US. this was one of the main things that spurred his antagonism towards western society and influenced him to write about tactics for establishing an islamic state in egypt even if that meant spilling innocent blood. he was one of the main influences for bin laden & co, who were similarly wealthy and well educated men, not impoverished kids living in gaza. Quote:
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They are taking the fight to our doorstep as we have taken it to theirs, quite logical really. Quote:
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If somebody was threatening to deport you to Iran to shack up with the bearded ones, then I could clearly understand your fears and concerns on this matter. Quote:
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01-12-2015, 09:09 AM | #237 (permalink) | |
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edit - the ghandi / civil rights example is funny cause you can use it as an analogy here. what tactic did they use? passive defiance in the face of thuggery. when they were attacked with violence, they continued to use civil disobedience to get their point across. to me, saying we should compromise in the face of thuggery is akin to saying ghandi & co should have given up when they were attacked. i mean they should have known better right? what did they expect, provoking those racist white people like that? you would think they would have learned not to poke the polar bear. Quote:
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If fact we Brits could call you terrorists, but that's all in the past now and things move on. btw you should stop debating with Oriphiel concerning historical matters, as she/he has clearly got you owned on that
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