GMOs

Pet_Sounds · 05-04-2017, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Your teacher will mark you down for combining a bandwagon fallacy with an appeal to authority. What did evidence they use to support this particular decision? Everything should be inspected case by case instead of assuming that these are good decisions because they have a history of it.

Does that qualify as a bandwagon fallacy, though? I'm trying to show that there isn't a consensus by pointing to several advanced countries that have labelling restrictions, not saying we should label them because Japan and the EU do.

EDIT: Thanks for those links, btw, currently reading.

**Frownland** · 05-04-2017, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

Does that qualify as a bandwagon fallacy, though? I'm trying to show that there isn't a consensus by pointing to several advanced countries that have labelling restrictions, not saying we should label them because Japan and the EU do.

Are the representatives of those countries scientists? Even if they are, are they using valid justifications for it? When you address the countries without going into that part, yes that is a bandwagon fallacy. Scientific research alters the consensus, not legal decisions related to scientific matters.

Pet_Sounds · 05-04-2017, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Are the representatives of those countries scientists? Even if they are, are they using valid justifications for it? When you address the countries without going into that part, yes that is a bandwagon fallacy. Scientific research alters the consensus, not legal decisions related to scientific matters.

All right, makes sense. I won't tackle the scientific consensus because I can see that I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

The Batlord · 05-04-2017, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't think you're smarter than the average person take that to mean what you want

That is most certainly a cop out. Answer the question or I'm going to assume you're evading it. Are the common people intelligent enough to make informed and useful decisions regarding political policy?

The Batlord · 05-04-2017, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Oh absolutely

Education is very bad in many places however

Yeah, I kinda don't believe you. Nothing about you says that you respect the intelligence of the average person. I think you just say that cause you kinda have to with your political beliefs. You probably have the same dubious concept of Joe Sixpack at the most basic level as the rest of us.

Stephen · 05-04-2017, 05:54 PM

If GMOs are used as an excuse for the sort of **** Monsanto is getting up to in the US then I don't support their use. Also if corporate greed is the driving force behind research I have no trust in any findings saying how safe they are.

duga · 05-04-2017, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

It's nice read comments from someone who actually knows what they're talking about!

Thank you, sir.

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

Sure, people want details, but it seems the vast majority of them also want a label. Doesn't holding out make GMOs seem scary? Ultimately, I think people should have the choice to avoid them if they want to, whether their reasons for doing so are sound or not.

(For the record, I agree with you on the safety of GMOs and I'm personally indifferent on whether or not they're labelled. I just have to write a paper on this.)

Making poor choices just because you can shouldn't be enabled. It's like vaccines... Idiotic anti vaxxers think they live in an isolated bubble and their poor choice isn't going to affect other people. Herd immunity, folks.

My view on GMOs isn't so much the labeling as it is that we are separating GMO vs organic when they shouldn't be put in separate categories at all. I talked a bit about the monetary effect, but spreading fear about something completely unfounded is only going to hurt the poor uneducated folk of the world.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

This was the same argument againt nutritional facts and calories on menu

Consumers have a right to know don't treat them like children

Nutrition information helps you make make informed decisions about your health (ie watching your calorie intake). It can be measured quantitatively. Telling someone it's a GMO won't add anything other than telling that person it's a GMO. It's a waste of money and will only freak people out.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

If GMOs are used as an excuse for the sort of **** Monsanto is getting up to in the US then I don't support their use. Also if corporate greed is the driving force behind research I have no trust in any findings saying how safe they are.

Monsanto's science is first rate. Their shady side comes out when they try to monopolize the industry with shady business practices.

Pet_Sounds · 05-04-2017, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

Making poor choices just because you can shouldn't be enabled. It's like vaccines... Idiotic anti vaxxers think they live in an isolated bubble and their poor choice isn't going to affect other people. Herd immunity, folks.

My view on GMOs isn't so much the labeling as it is that we are separating GMO vs organic when they shouldn't be put in separate categories at all. I talked a bit about the monetary effect, but spreading fear about something completely unfounded is only going to hurt the poor uneducated folk of the world.

Off topic, but do you think vaccines should be mandatory?

**Frownland** · 05-04-2017, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

Off topic, but do you think vaccines should be mandatory?

Most certainly.

duga · 05-04-2017, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

Off topic, but do you think vaccines should be mandatory?

100%. I don't think you should be criminally charged if you don't vaccinate your kids, but your kids shouldn't be allowed to attend school with other kids until they are.

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Stephen I sleep in your hat Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Melbourne, Vic. Aus. Posts: 1,847	If GMOs are used as an excuse for the sort of **** Monsanto is getting up to in the US then I don't support their use. Also if corporate greed is the driving force behind research I have no trust in any findings saying how safe they are.