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View Poll Results: Are people getting dumber?
Absolutely. 5 31.25%
People have always been dumb; this is nothing new. 2 12.50%
Not at all. 2 12.50%
I don't know. 0 0%
I just really want a pizza right now. 3 18.75%
anal beads 4 25.00%
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Eurgh, read articles? I don't do that stuff.
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I haven't conducted many mass studies upon the cognitive faculties of mankind, so my input here ain't the most credible, but I think the most reasonable answer would be I don't know... but I doubt it. I think we can expect a lot of people to say "But other studies show IQ averages have risen worldwide!" or "IQ tests aren't an accurate measure of intelligence!" or "Reaction time tests aren't an accurate measurement of brain performance!". All of those things are true. There are a lot of things that we are good at measuring. We can measure the length of a plank, we can measure the speed of a car, the speed of light to a significantly accurate point, the chemical composition of a distant planet, the time it will take for an asteroid to hit the planet Earth and the approximate location of the impact, the amount of rocket fuel needed to fly a fancy robotic science lab from Florida to Mars, but none of those things are sentience, we really suck at measuring sentience, it's hard to measure something you're still trying to understand on a basic level. Universities are still arguing over whether or not people can be left-brained or right-brained. Science fiction movies like Lucy or Transcendence are still playing with the idea that we only use a minuscule portion of our available cognitive capabilities. I think until we really have a firm grasp on what intelligence even is, we won't be able to conduct any accurate studies on the overall intelligence of an entire evolving civilization, regardless of how many IQ tests we take.

Right now I think the best thing to do would be to stop asking "are we more or less intelligent than we used to be?" and instead ask "are we much better off as a civilization than we used to be?". The best way to do that is to investigate trends in healthcare, economics, employment, communications infrastructure, scientific progress and innovation, educational resources available to common people, safety, natural resource distribution, freedom of democracy, social equality, and so on. And I think the longer you look into topics like that the more you'll find we're improving in all of those areas at an accelerating pace.

As it has been mentioned already, the information age and the very sudden explosion of social networking has put us all on a stage, everyone is watching everyone and it's much harder to hide mistakes than it was in the past. Every moment of idiocy is caught on camera, our triumphant moments as a species are often massively overshadowed by skateboard bail compilations and funny cat videos, but progress is still very much in full swing and a closer look at human progress is usually a lot more reassuring than Huffington Post headlines.
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
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if you're talking cognitive ability i believe there is some evidence of a slight decline, but not something that would be really noticeable, over the last 10,000 or so years, but i could be wrong. i heard about it on the radio.

if you're talking about how delusional we are then i would say we started to peer through the veil for a bit in the last couple centuries and then the people in charge realized how useful our delusions really are.
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:48 PM   #14 (permalink)
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this is confusing to me

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Other research has suggested an apparent rise in I.Q. scores since the 1940s, a phenomenon known as the Flynn Effect. But Dr. te Nijenhuis suggested the Flynn Effect reflects the influence of environmental factors -- such as better education, hygiene and nutrition -- and may mask the true decline in genetically inherited intelligence in the Western world.
wouldn't those be included in how intelligence is monitored throughout history??

but even still I have no idea how you actually rate different era's of intelligence in the first place, or why it would even matter. Looking at these kinds of things in a vacuum is pretty useless imo.
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:48 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Did you guys read the articles?
I didn't read the first one because **** info wars. The study its based on seems kind of biased, especially with the comment towards the end saying that education is a confounding factor to write off what would suggest that we are getting smarter. With a situation like intelligence, better education explains a rise, it hardly confounds it.

Id also like to note that IQ isn't permanent like many claim and have claimed.
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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yea... i never got that. you can practice and study logic puzzles and easily raise your iq score.
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Old 11-03-2014, 09:02 PM   #17 (permalink)
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If people are getting their information from infowars then it's certainly possible that those people are getting dumber. Not sure about humanity in general though.
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Old 11-03-2014, 09:02 PM   #18 (permalink)
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As for Dr. te Nijenhuis and colleagues, they analyzed the results of 14 intelligence studies conducted between 1884 to 2004, including one by Sir Francis Galton, an English anthropologist and a cousin of Charles Darwin. Each study gauged participants' so-called visual reaction times -- how long it took them to press a button in response to seeing a stimulus. Reaction time reflects a person's mental processing speed, and so is considered an indication of general intelligence.

In the late 19th Century, visual reaction times averaged around 194 milliseconds, the analysis showed. In 2004 that time had grown to 275 milliseconds. Even though the machine gauging reaction time in the late 19th Century was less sophisticated than that used in recent years, Dr. te Nijenhuis told The Huffington Post that the old data is directly comparable to modern data.
Guy sounds like a quack. If the equipment wasn't as reliable, and your information is therefore suspect, then at the very least you probably shouldn't be sure enough of your theory to endorse it publicly.
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That's a poor quote to highlight if you want to discredit him. An abacus is less sophisticated than a calculator but it's results are just as accurate/credible.
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That's a poor quote to highlight if you want to discredit him. An abacus is less sophisticated than a calculator but it's results are just as accurate/credible.
You do simple addition and subtraction with abacuses and calculators, not determine someone's intelligence.
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