ebola

Sparky · 10-10-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Carpe Mortem

If people wanna be dumb and touch dead bodies riddled with disease in some outdated barbaric death ritual... I say let's westernize them so this **** doesn't happen anymore.

Otherwise, its a continuing cycle of third world cultures doing third world **** and first world doctors coming to fix it.

If people have clean water, healthcare, highways, antibiotics it really wouldn't matter what cultural practices are happening. A sect of the population would continue adhere to their roots and may suffer.

Orthodox Christians anywhere in the world refuse blood transfusions, people are superstitious when it comes to vaccines, people continue to smoke cigarettes, etc.

Illogical cultures exist in the first world as well. I don't think you can point the blame at certain African cultures for ebola.

Carpe Mortem · 10-10-2014, 08:13 PM

This is the thing dude... Where infectious disease is concerned, its more serious than just refusing a blood transfusion, because then that death ritual following person is infected, and could potentially harm people who don't observe the rituals. We're not talking just a secluded tribe that does this, its very common in West Africa. And these people do not trust others who don't adhere to their cultural norms, especially foreigners. Hospitals have been burned down because they think foreign doctors are killing people on purpose to use their bodies for evil deeds.

Frankly it'd be best to save resources for a culture more willing to advance and let the spirit fearing lepers figure **** out on their own.

Carpe Mortem · 10-10-2014, 08:13 PM

Straight up, they're uneducated distrustful people who don't understand much unless it comes from one of their own, and their own all believe in the same ****. So lost cause.

Sparky · 10-10-2014, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Carpe Mortem

Straight up, they're uneducated distrustful people who don't understand much unless it comes from one of their own, and their own all believe in the same ****. So lost cause.

Agree to a large extent. However, their distrust is not entirely unwarranted.

Medical experimentation in Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Analogy: don't bother curing lung, skin, esophageal cancer because smokers, drinkers,tanners etc are too stupid to stop their practices.

Uneducated, certainly. The problem is insurmountable, I agree. Throwing money at it doesn't work. From a moral standpoint, I cannot fathom not continuing to help,we're capable of making some difference.

DwnWthVwls · 10-10-2014, 10:42 PM

If they don't ask for help I don't see where the morality issue comes into play. Not everyone appreciates or wants to live like Western Civ/Europe. Those people have gotten by the entire time and they will continue to do so, there is nothing to fix except "civilized" people viewing them as some sort of lesser culture or human just because they are different.

It's like people who feel bad when zebras get ate by lions. Nature is f*cking brutal, anyone who thinks otherwise is either naive or dense as f*ck.

**Frownland** · 10-11-2014, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

If they don't ask for help I don't see where the morality issue comes into play. Not everyone appreciates or wants to live like Western Civ/Europe. Those people have gotten by the entire time and they will continue to do so, there is nothing to fix except "civilized" people viewing them as some sort of lesser culture or human just because they are different.

It's like people who feel bad when zebras get ate by lions. Nature is f*cking brutal, anyone who thinks otherwise is either naive or dense as f*ck.

I'm with Carpe on this one. When you're endangering other people's lives it becomes an issue that needs addressing.

DwnWthVwls · 10-11-2014, 03:13 AM

I just jumped into this without really reading much of the previous conversation so I'll have to go back and read.

While I do agree with your statement I think it's only true if those people are coming to your area/country and spreading disease. If someone goes out of their way to go to a place running rampant with disease than it is their fault.

You don't go into a lion's den and blame the lion for f*cking you up. Like it or not sometimes you're not welcome, accept it and move along.

Carpe Mortem · 10-11-2014, 10:11 AM

I am definitely all for leaving third world countries alone...till their diseased savages start tickling the borders of civilization. Then something needs to be done to save our enlightened, intelligent brethren.

Sorry for the cruelty, but I ****in hate that people are always jumping to 'help' third world countries. Let them develop on their ****in own and save that money for the space race. Honestly, that should be every civilized, intelligent society's main priority IMO. Better spaceships and better understanding of the cosmos. For the species.

The Batlord · 10-11-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Carpe Mortem

I am definitely all for leaving third world countries alone...till their diseased savages start tickling the borders of civilization. Then something needs to be done to save our enlightened, intelligent brethren.

Sorry for the cruelty, but I ****in hate that people are always jumping to 'help' third world countries. Let them develop on their ****in own and save that money for the space race. Honestly, that should be every civilized, intelligent society's main priority IMO. Better spaceships and better understanding of the cosmos. For the species.

Honestly, if all my money could go either to feeding the poor, or an apartment on Mars, well... sorry, poor people. We definitely need to get to the stars. Mining an entire solar system for resources would be hella good for the Earth in general.

Sparky · 10-11-2014, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Carpe Mortem

I am definitely all for leaving third world countries alone...till their diseased savages start tickling the borders of civilization. Then something needs to be done to save our enlightened, intelligent brethren.

Sorry for the cruelty, but I ****in hate that people are always jumping to 'help' third world countries. Let them develop on their ****in own and save that money for the space race. Honestly, that should be every civilized, intelligent society's main priority IMO. Better spaceships and better understanding of the cosmos. For the species.

You understand the concepts of trade and natural resources right?

Let space exploration become private enterprise. It's not like poor people are going out there anyway (unenlightened lower classes).

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Carpe Mortem Crusher of tiny Nords Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Ugly Bag of Mostly Water Posts: 1,363	This is the thing dude... Where infectious disease is concerned, its more serious than just refusing a blood transfusion, because then that death ritual following person is infected, and could potentially harm people who don't observe the rituals. We're not talking just a secluded tribe that does this, its very common in West Africa. And these people do not trust others who don't adhere to their cultural norms, especially foreigners. Hospitals have been burned down because they think foreign doctors are killing people on purpose to use their bodies for evil deeds. Frankly it'd be best to save resources for a culture more willing to advance and let the spirit fearing lepers figure ** out on their own. __________________ [SIG][/SIG] Mirth is King** Be Loving & Open With My Emotions

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10-11-2014, 10:11 AM	#38 (permalink)
Carpe Mortem Crusher of tiny Nords Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Ugly Bag of Mostly Water Posts: 1,363	I am definitely all for leaving third world countries alone...till their diseased savages start tickling the borders of civilization. Then something needs to be done to save our enlightened, intelligent brethren. Sorry for the cruelty, but I **in hate that people are always jumping to 'help' third world countries. Let them develop on their in own and save that money for the space race. Honestly, that should be every civilized, intelligent society's main priority IMO. Better spaceships and better understanding of the cosmos. For the species. __________________ [SIG][/SIG] Mirth is King** Be Loving & Open With My Emotions