Hypothetical: If the Nazis Were Right Would You Agree with Some Form of the Holocaust

DwnWthVwls · 02-12-2017, 02:52 PM

Pun Nazi*

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 02-12-2017, 02:53 PM

how did i **** that up

Oriphiel · 02-12-2017, 02:55 PM

Good thing DwnWthVwls Reich-tified the situation.

DwnWthVwls · 02-12-2017, 02:56 PM

I'm glad you decided to swastika round after joining.

The Batlord · 02-12-2017, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Suzy Creamcheese

Although maybe I'm being too idealistic, and am making it more of a matter of "perfection versus imperfection", when the real question is simply "Would you do something awful, if everyone benefitted as a result?" And in the case of the latter, though I like to think that I'd stick to my guns and find a peaceful solution, despite all my bluster realistically I'd probably simply end failing miserably, eventually giving up and going along with the tide

But it's not even a question of perfection vs. imperfection. It's a question of morality vs. immorality (oddly enough). Really it's a question about moral relativity and what happens when what is moral and therefore easy transforms into what is grey and therefore hard.

For a modern example I like to imagine, what if torture really was effective? What if waterboarding some terrorist really would save a million people and not doing so would kill those million people? It's easy to condemn torture when torture is ineffective, but what do you do when it is?

Trollheart · 02-15-2017, 01:15 PM

Hasn't Wells already shown us that a "perfect world" results in a race of do-nothing wankers who just sit around and wait to be summoned to the great cave for supper, they being on the menu? If you don't have diversity - with all its problems, complications, issues and so forth - then your society will not prosper; it will in fact stagnate. So if everyone was equal (let's say, rather than dancing around the subject, Aryan, and call Earth 3 what you really want to/should call it, Aryan Earth) then where would the incentive be to better yourself, and who would bother? Much of what mankind has built over the centuries has been in response to being held back/down, being told he can't, or trying (and succeeding) to rise above the level he was at. If we were all Aryan and some sort of master race, why would anyone work to better themselves? If you don't have a class system, flawed as it may be, there's no incentive to try to be more than you are.

Even given all that you've said, the basic moral question remains and your thread could kind of be condensed I feel into this scenario:

If somehow every person who had committed or was due to commit a serious crime (rape, murder, arson etc) could be rounded up and put on one island, and by bombing that island there was one hundred percent chance there would be no more serious crime ever, would you drop the bomb?

The simple answer is no, because nobody has the right to take a life, no matter the provocation, with an exception for self-defence in a situation where you fear for your own life. Your life, not the planet's or the race's. And absolutely nobody has the right to practice genocide, state-sponsored or not.

Finally, what's "pure" anyway? You go far enough back into anyone's ancestry, no matter how white they are, you're gonna find some African DNA, as that's where we all began.

The Batlord · 02-16-2017, 10:53 AM

Too long. Didn't read.

Trollheart · 02-16-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Too long. Didn't read.

Then **** your thread.

The Batlord · 02-16-2017, 02:02 PM

Earlier in one of my posts I used the word "peace" to describe the hypothetical world created by Aryans without the influence of untermensch, but this was a dumb thing to say, since neo-Nazi philosophy would propose the opposite, that conflict and war are integral to a proper Aryan society.

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Hasn't Wells already shown us that a "perfect world" results in a race of do-nothing wankers who just sit around and wait to be summoned to the great cave for supper, they being on the menu? If you don't have diversity - with all its problems, complications, issues and so forth - then your society will not prosper; it will in fact stagnate. So if everyone was equal (let's say, rather than dancing around the subject, Aryan, and call Earth 3 what you really want to/should call it, Aryan Earth) then where would the incentive be to better yourself, and who would bother? Much of what mankind has built over the centuries has been in response to being held back/down, being told he can't, or trying (and succeeding) to rise above the level he was at. If we were all Aryan and some sort of master race, why would anyone work to better themselves? If you don't have a class system, flawed as it may be, there's no incentive to try to be more than you are.

This would be solved by the white race becoming what they are supposedly destined to become: a warrior race who weeds out the weak and inferior through conflict and social Darwinism. Assuming Earth 3, where this nonsense is indeed correct, that would solve the problem of stagnation. Since this is in fact nonsense I have no idea how such a society -- or presumably a collection of like-minded societies with particular cultures -- but I guess this would be best argued by an actual neo-Nazi who is versed in this ****.

**Goofle** · 02-16-2017, 05:51 PM

Black Mirror dealt with a pretty similar concept quite well in Men Against Fire I think.

In regards to force/torture, I think the question leads back to the Non Aggression Principle. Did they fire a missile at you? Did they shoot down a plane? etc. Or is the guy you are going to torture directly responsible for an act of violence and/or future actions against you or your country?

If the 'other' violates the Non Aggression Principle, it's your moral and ethical duty to respond to that - otherwise you are simply allowing yourself to be killed or whatever the aim is. But if that's not the case, any act of uninitiated violence is morally and ethically vacant.

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	Hasn't Wells already shown us that a "perfect world" results in a race of do-nothing wankers who just sit around and wait to be summoned to the great cave for supper, they being on the menu? If you don't have diversity - with all its problems, complications, issues and so forth - then your society will not prosper; it will in fact stagnate. So if everyone was equal (let's say, rather than dancing around the subject, Aryan, and call Earth 3 what you really want to/should call it, Aryan Earth) then where would the incentive be to better yourself, and who would bother? Much of what mankind has built over the centuries has been in response to being held back/down, being told he can't, or trying (and succeeding) to rise above the level he was at. If we were all Aryan and some sort of master race, why would anyone work to better themselves? If you don't have a class system, flawed as it may be, there's no incentive to try to be more than you are. Even given all that you've said, the basic moral question remains and your thread could kind of be condensed I feel into this scenario: If somehow every person who had committed or was due to commit a serious crime (rape, murder, arson etc) could be rounded up and put on one island, and by bombing that island there was one hundred percent chance there would be no more serious crime ever, would you drop the bomb? The simple answer is no, because nobody has the right to take a life, no matter the provocation, with an exception for self-defence in a situation where you fear for your own life. Your life, not the planet's or the race's. And absolutely nobody has the right to practice genocide, state-sponsored or not. Finally, what's "pure" anyway? You go far enough back into anyone's ancestry, no matter how white they are, you're gonna find some African DNA, as that's where we all began. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018