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Old 07-18-2014, 10:42 PM   #11 (permalink)
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If a genius was to reproduce with an idiot, would there be any right to prevent it? Of course not.

China is actually getting close to this with their 1 child law.
BTW I'm basically playing Devil's Advocate here. You'll notice that I haven't voted, since it's a hard mental hurdle to overcome, but anywho...

Keep in mind that we're not just talking about a few "inferior" children. We may very well be dealing with a serious threat to the genetic integrity of the human race that might weaken our ability to advance or even survive as a species.

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Forced sterilization?
That could certainly be one option.
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Old 07-18-2014, 10:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Excersise proper breeding, only marry into proper bred families. Become part of societies upper crust.

It's a bit like the premise of Downton Abbey.
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Old 07-18-2014, 10:49 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Human beings are like 99.99% similar genetically and the way we come to be who we are as people is still not fully understood. There are some truly exceptional people who manage to accomplish astonishing things despite their obstacles. Then there's those who are born of privilege and have an easier time acclimating to life's challenges. Then there's everybody else. Then there's the **** ups and the dregs. The notion that a person could inherently be smarter, stronger, less susceptible to disease, or whatever else because they're of a certain heritage is just... impossible. It's just science, people like to act like they're so different from one another but in the grand scheme of things those differences are very small and almost definitely have more to do with their surroundings than anything else.

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Let's just say that somehow people of German descent were in fact, somehow, genetically engineered to be more capable human beings than people of any other heritage. That still doesn't justify any sort of interference, certainly not genocide. In fact, I'd say it would be better to share those genes. I'd rather have a bunch of average people and no genocide or weird elitist breeding circles than a bunch of brilliant people and human tragedy.
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Old 07-18-2014, 10:52 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Keep in mind that we're not just talking about a few "inferior" children. We may very well be dealing with a serious threat to the genetic integrity of the human race that might weaken our ability to advance or even survive as a species.
I do believe that there'd be some virtue to sterilizing persons who carry unpleasant genetic disorders (just use your imagination because I don't want to accidentally hurt anyone's feelings) that would ultimately stunt humanity as a whole; there would certainly be a benefit to taking Darwin's 'survival of the fittest' thing to an absolute and definite extreme.

But whether you can do that as a government without being under fire by a larger, supposedly more "civilized" country where people breed freely, including those with ancestors having extra chromosomes or inability to feed the spawn they've already churned out ... that's the big question. Can you do it and get away with it cleanly?
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Well let's just assume that if you chose that path that... alright not being a Nazi whack job I'm not entirely sure what the consequences would be, but let's assume for the sake of argument that they would involve moral degradation of society that would be even more far reaching and destructive than the Holocaust itself. And keep in mind that if you don't agree to genocide then you can always come up with a more... "humane" solution. It doesn't have to be a straight yes or no answer... which I suppose I should have accounted for in the poll.

If a mod reads this, is it possible to add a poll option that reads, "Yes, but not genocide."
if the consequences of not having the holocaust are by definition worse than having the holocaust then isn't the decision clear
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if the consequences of not having the holocaust are by definition worse than having the holocaust then isn't the decision clear
Weeding them out by breeding them properly would certainly save on mass graves.
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Let's just say that somehow people of German descent were in fact, somehow, genetically engineered to be more capable human beings than people of any other heritage. That still doesn't justify any sort of interference, certainly not genocide. In fact, I'd say it would be better to share those genes.
Even if it meant that while the human race as a whole would be improved they would never be as capable as the "cream" of humanity, who would effectively be bred out of existence to become just as mediocre as everyone else?
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Yep.

I don't place a lot of value on greatness. But that's just me. There are a lot of "great" things in the world that I could very easily do without. Frankly I'd probably be happier as a hunter gatherer. Doesn't that sound awesome? Just living in nature. Sleeping in tents. Playing in drum circles. Sounds a lot better than having to fake a personality just to get ahead in life and have a decent job.
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I do believe that there'd be some virtue to sterilizing persons who carry unpleasant genetic disorders
That might not even be necessary. We're pretty close to cracking the human genome and it might be possible to just extract those genes altogether during pregnancy sooner than you'd think. As in, within the next few generations. Have you seen the mice with ears on their backs? I'm vehemently opposed to animal cruelty but that **** is amazing. There's even mice that can glow in the dark because genes from a firefly were implanted in them.
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Just wondering.. If everyone was a perfect human being who would do the jobs currently held by the idiots?

I think there is enough evidence in nature to claim that variety is essential to function.
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