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~~Lord Larehip~~ · 07-18-2014, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

I love that in this post you not only accused me of being self righteous in a thread where your whole point is literally to be so yourself, but then you said "World War 2 Changed things, but so did the Atom bomb!" as if those were two unrelated things. Ridiculous.

Quote from Guitarbizarre: "But WW2 and the Holocaust have literally shaped the world we live in today" Those were not unrelated things either.

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You're a deluded, self-aggrandizing, grandstanding blowhard who consistently pours his own time into endless pontification over arguments for which you've failed to reconcile any of the evidence you so painstakingly compile, with any actual point you'd like to make of your own.

I love it when somebody is losing an argument and resorts to this amusing s-hit.

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 07-18-2014, 09:26 PM

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I believe the symbol has well earned it's poisoned connotation

Ah, I see. The swastika earned its bad rap. Maybe you could explain to us lesser beings exactly how that happened. Did the swastika attach itself to the Nazi banners and armbands despite all their attempts to remove it? Or perhaps it handed Hitler a typed thesis clearly explaining how to implement the Nazi ideology. As hard as I've looked I cannot find any information on exactly how the swastika earned its bad rap. As far as I can see, it did nothing.

So, then, are we all in agreement--even if somewhat grudgingly--that there isn't any credible reason why the swastika should be reviled in the West?

DwnWthVwls · 07-18-2014, 09:27 PM

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 07-18-2014, 09:39 PM

Someone seems to doubt the swastika below is an Aztec calendar so I include an excerpt from the website I got it from.

We find here the Aztecan calendar cycle of 52 uncorrected years represented in the form of a left rotating "swastika". The wheel starts with the year 1 Acatl, then turns left to 2 Tecpatl, 3 Calli, 4 Tochtli, 5 Acatl, etc. There is a good explanation of the whole composition in Duran and Seler. The question is, did the Hopi have a real writing system like the Aztecs and did they share the same calendar around the year 1000? Why do they not have a developed writing in the 17th century?
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GuD · 07-18-2014, 09:44 PM

It's really not your place to be telling people what they should and should not be shocked and offended by. The symbol was given a bad reputation because a regime of people who tried to completely erase another group of people from the planet for arbitrary reasons used it on their flags. Being offended by something associated with something that horrible is a completely understandable reaction and you're kind of being a douche for saying it isn't.

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 07-18-2014, 09:55 PM

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To say that other regimes were on par with that is stretching it. They were awful, yes. But they weren't that.

What about Mao and his "Great Leap Forward" which lasted for 3 years and killed 15 million people by starvation and that's the Red Chinese govt's own count. Historians both Western and Chinese put it far higher than that. A Chinese journalist put it at 36 million. A Western historian put it 45 million. Even the most conservative estimates by scholars place it at 20 million. A good round number would be about 30 million people that died under the Maoist regime in only 3 years.

But we don't care about that because the media doesn't shove it down our throats all day with movies and books and songs and articles about it. The Chinese-Americans, after all, don't run our media.

GuD · 07-18-2014, 10:06 PM

I picture Lord Larehip as one of those sensationalist fanatics with a minivan covered in conspiracy theory related stickers. On weekends he hangs out in busy parts of town with a megaphone, picket sign, and a vest covered in pins similar to the stickers on his car. He also has pamphlets. Lots and lots of pamphlets. No one ever really pays much attention...

Paul Smeenus · 07-18-2014, 10:08 PM

^ So who DOES run the media.

Say it

DwnWthVwls · 07-18-2014, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

What about Mao and his "Great Leap Forward" which lasted for 3 years and killed 15 million people by starvation and that's the Red Chinese govt's own count. Historians both Western and Chinese put it far higher than that. A Chinese journalist put it at 36 million. A Western historian put it 45 million. Even the most conservative estimates by scholars place it at 20 million. A good round number would be about 30 million people that died under the Maoist regime in only 3 years.

But we don't care about that because the media doesn't shove it down our throats all day with movies and books and songs and articles about it. The Chinese-Americans, after all, don't run our media.

It's not that they don't care, there just isn't enough time nor does anyone have enough energy to stand for everything they believe in. Sooo, they pick the things most popular/relevant(generally dictated by the media) and make heads roll.

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

^ So who DOES run the media.

Say it

The government and big business obviously.

Here's 90%:

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude

I picture Lord Larehip as one of those sensationalist fanatics with a minivan covered in conspiracy theory related stickers. On weekends he hangs out in busy parts of town with a megaphone, picket sign, and a vest covered in pins similar to the stickers on his car. He also has pamphlets. Lots and lots of pamphlets. No one ever really pays much attention...

They should pay some attention. Even if the guy is off his rocker there is some bit of truth to a lot of conspiracy theories. The increasing lack of education and apathy surrounding the decisions our government makes is stripping us of our freedom. I hope I'm dead before it gets too bad.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 07-18-2014, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

But we don't care about that because the media doesn't shove it down our throats all day with movies and books and songs and articles about it. The Chinese-Americans, after all, don't run our media.

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07-18-2014, 09:44 PM	#45 (permalink)
GuD Dude... What? Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,322	It's really not your place to be telling people what they should and should not be shocked and offended by. The symbol was given a bad reputation because a regime of people who tried to completely erase another group of people from the planet for arbitrary reasons used it on their flags. Being offended by something associated with something that horrible is a completely understandable reaction and you're kind of being a douche for saying it isn't. __________________ I spit bullets in my feet Every time I speak So I write instead And still people want me dead ~msc

07-18-2014, 10:06 PM	#47 (permalink)
GuD Dude... What? Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,322	I picture Lord Larehip as one of those sensationalist fanatics with a minivan covered in conspiracy theory related stickers. On weekends he hangs out in busy parts of town with a megaphone, picket sign, and a vest covered in pins similar to the stickers on his car. He also has pamphlets. Lots and lots of pamphlets. No one ever really pays much attention... __________________ I spit bullets in my feet Every time I speak So I write instead And still people want me dead ~msc

07-18-2014, 09:39 PM	#44 (permalink)
~~Lord Larehip~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 899	Someone seems to doubt the swastika below is an Aztec calendar so I include an excerpt from the website I got it from. We find here the Aztecan calendar cycle of 52 uncorrected years represented in the form of a left rotating "swastika". The wheel starts with the year 1 Acatl, then turns left to 2 Tecpatl, 3 Calli, 4 Tochtli, 5 Acatl, etc. There is a good explanation of the whole composition in Duran and Seler. The question is, did the Hopi have a real writing system like the Aztecs and did they share the same calendar around the year 1000? Why do they not have a developed writing in the 17th century? ABOUT SWASTIKA - Esoteric Online