Political Correctness and You.

GuD · 04-26-2014, 02:42 AM

Oh. The whole sensitive thing made me think you were jokin. Muh bad.

So then, you're just repeating what's already been established? Lames.

Engine · 04-26-2014, 02:52 AM

repeating and elaborating. Sorry if it's lame but my honest not joking opinion is that this particular discussion on this here web forum site is destined to be shallow bullshit.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 04-26-2014, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Engine

repeating and elaborating. Sorry if it's lame but my honest not joking opinion is that this particular discussion on this here web forum site is destined to be shallow bullshit.

I agree, it is shallow. Sometimes I enjoy it, other times I don't. I tend to ngaf when it comes to certain topics, but people can take things way too seriously (me included now and then). There's nothing wrong with being sensitive, but, you're on the internet so you have to get used to people being *******s. Certain people here try to pin you up as a certain type of person, but others actually bother to get to know you and realise the context of your conversations. I don't feel comfortable discussing your questions WhateverDude but others may want to.

Mojo · 04-26-2014, 03:06 AM

I hate how to 'be PC' has come to be regarded as a negative thing. Surely only being overly PC, as some may see it, should be considered a negative.

I rarely get offended, especially by language, but the use of the two words you offer as examples in a casual context does annoy me. Mainly because very rarely do I see a need for it. As far as I'm concerned they are both hateful words that I don't often see a need to use whatsoever. I can't speak for everyone but I don't think I know a single person who realistically has a need to use either and so when they do, it doesn't even seem to make sense to me. I'll hear a friend call someone gay or a ***got and more often than not it's just a general, generic negative or insult for which they are countless alternatives that would also make contextual sense.

I personally consider myself to be PC, although I'm not claiming I'm perfect, and I don't consider that it takes a lot of effort or is at all difficult, just as it is to be polite, or have manners, or generally not be a dickhead. But I do think people can be TOO PC at times. It's difficult to say where to draw the line as there are too many variables. It's all dependent on the situation, the context, the parties involved etc. But generally I find people to be too PC when they seem hell bent on actively seeking things to complain about. Some people almost seem to revel in being "offended". That I don't really understand.

The Batlord · 04-26-2014, 10:19 AM

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Do you consider yourself a PC person?

Nah. Semi-enlightened sure, but certainly not PC.

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Is being PC important to you?

**** no.

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How do you feel about casual use of hate speech/slurs such as 'nigg@' or 'f@ggot'?

I'd never call someone a faggot in a situation where I wasn't with a friend I knew didn't care and wasn't a homophobe themselves. Not just because I don't want to offend people, but I also don't want any potential homophobes to think I'm "one of them". So long as I know I'm not a homophobe and I know the person I'm talking **** with isn't a homophobe too, then I don't really care about throwing around slurs any more than I care about calling them a dumbass or a cunt.

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Do you feel like people are often times too easily offended? If so, at what point do you draw the line?

Yeah. See above for my line.

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Do you feel there's a difference between prejudicial bigotry (I.E, the KKK) and ignorance/insensitivity to people who are in some cases seen as different?

Of course. One involves a decision that one has come too (i.e. black people are stupid, lazy, inferior, etc) while the other is more just cultural osmosis and doesn't necessarily imply hate so much as just not caring enough about the subject to challenge their preconceptions.

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How do you respond to things/people that offend you? Do you find your responses have a positive, negative, or any impact?[/LIST]

I don't know. Sometimes I tell them to **** off, sometimes I ignore it. All depends on the situation. My family are racists. Just last Christmas my grandfather, a died in the wool conservative who watches Fox News, made a comment about assassinating Obama. It was a joke, but one of those jokes that's only half joking. I've never heard him be that hateful towards a white Deomocrat. Just Obama. I suppose I could have raised hell about it, but what's the point? He's like eighty. I'm not gonna change his mind. I'm just gonna ruin Christmas. So **** it. Let him be ignorant.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 05-06-2014, 05:16 AM

I dont really consider myself a pc person cause of justin long.

jk umm well no im not really a pc person but i do have tact and i am good at recogizing my audience when bein funny or just talkin which many ppl are not. if its around complete strangers i will be politically correct but for instance if theres a bunch of guys around and not a lot of chicks maybe i will throw out a sexist type joke and see how it flies. if theres all white ppl maybe i make a joke with racial elements and see what happens. all light jokes tho just to test the waters and see whats up.

i dont really get offended by pretty much anythin cause life is too short for that and theres really just nothin anyone could make fun of me for. if its in a joke form then i realize that and humor is different than bein serious. if they are serious then they wanna make me mad and i never let that happen.

if ur askin if theres a difference between the kkk and bein insensitive to minorities then yes theres a huge difference imo. that being that one group isnt actively making that a significant part of their life.

as for too easily offended i dunno about that. probably yes. be offended but ya dont gotta kill a joke or funny mood by expressing how offended u are unless someone is really out of line. i think in general ppl are a lil too serious and as ive said countless times here, most ppl seek out to become oppressed or victimized so they can take some petty stand and feel tough or somethin.

on the internet this is all a different ball game. its not face to face interaction and i will never meet any ppl on any forums im on so its all different. these ppl dont effect my life in a significant way

djchameleon · 05-06-2014, 07:39 AM

The only part I'm going to talk about is how stupid/ignorant it is when people feel like they have the right to decide how offended someone else should be about something that doesn't even affect them personally.

If someone is offended just apologize and let them be offended. You don't get the right to say "oh it wasn't even that bad or serious. You shouldn't be offended" If you believe that you can go fuck yourself.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 05-06-2014, 08:19 AM

*fucks himself*

what u said can sometimes be true but a lot of ppl like to whine, be victims, etc etc etc. some things just arent that offensive and are obvious jokes but ppl like to get offended. so i dont take ppl at their word when they claim to be offended

Xurtio · 05-06-2014, 08:54 AM

Do you consider yourself a PC person?

No

Is being PC important to you?

No.

How do you feel about casual use of hate speech/slurs such as 'nigg@' or 'f@ggot'?

It's not justified. I don't go up in arms about it, but unless they're a high schooler, or a close friend, they will get judged for it. Not just because of political correctedness, but also for inability to use words in a meaningful way.

Also, I think there's an underlying assertion of sexual dominance in using the word ***got. People pretend like it has nothing to do with the pejorative of homosexual, but the majority of cases, it's a male calling another male a ***got for wimpy/weak/intellectual (feminine) behavior.

You almost never see a girl get called a ***got. So even though people deny sexuality is involved, I think it rides in the background.

Do you feel like people are often times too easily offended? If so, at what point do you draw the line?

Yes. People do get too easily offended, often. I'm not really into drawing lines.

Do you feel there's a difference between prejudicial bigotry (I.E, the KKK) and ignorance/insensitivity to people who are in some cases seen as different?

Well... some could claim that some members of the KKK are just ignorant (they were raised to believe that they're doing the right thing and black people are evil). But ignorance isn't wrong in itself, it's when people willfully remain ignorant by actively denying evidence.

How do you respond to things/people that offend you? Do you find your responses have a positive, negative, or any impact?

Generally I ask them what their point is. If they're just trolling (even in real life, just talking ****) then there's little impact to be made. If they're genuinely angry or think I've wronged them in some way, I try to reconcile it... but I'll only try so hard.

Mr. Charlie · 05-26-2014, 10:54 PM

Do you consider yourself a PC person?

No

Is being PC important to you?

No.

How do you feel about casual use of hate speech/slurs such as 'nigg@' or 'f@ggot'?

Depends whether there is genuine meaning behind them. Language isn't truth, so people can say all sorts of things and it doesn't have a bearing on reality, but if they genuinely feel hate and act on it, that's cause for concern and does affect reality.

Do you feel like people are often times too easily offended? If so, at what point do you draw the line?

Regularly.

Do you feel there's a difference between prejudicial bigotry (I.E, the KKK) and ignorance/insensitivity to people who are in some cases seen as different?

No. All prejudice is ignorance.

How do you respond to things/people that offend you? Do you find your responses have a positive, negative, or any impact?

Depends. Again, if they express genuine hatred or ignorance then I try reasoning with them, sometimes with success, sometimes not. If they ain't serious then I don't take offense. Thankfully I seldom come across real hatred in my day to day life.

04-26-2014, 02:42 AM	#11 (permalink)
GuD Dude... What? Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,322	Oh. The whole sensitive thing made me think you were jokin. Muh bad. So then, you're just repeating what's already been established? Lames. __________________ I spit bullets in my feet Every time I speak So I write instead And still people want me dead ~msc

04-26-2014, 02:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
Engine air quote Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: pollen & mold Posts: 3,108	repeating and elaborating. Sorry if it's lame but my honest not joking opinion is that this particular discussion on this here web forum site is destined to be shallow bullshit. __________________ Like an arrow, I was only passing through.

04-26-2014, 03:06 AM	#14 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	I hate how to 'be PC' has come to be regarded as a negative thing. Surely only being overly PC, as some may see it, should be considered a negative. I rarely get offended, especially by language, but the use of the two words you offer as examples in a casual context does annoy me. Mainly because very rarely do I see a need for it. As far as I'm concerned they are both hateful words that I don't often see a need to use whatsoever. I can't speak for everyone but I don't think I know a single person who realistically has a need to use either and so when they do, it doesn't even seem to make sense to me. I'll hear a friend call someone gay or a ***got and more often than not it's just a general, generic negative or insult for which they are countless alternatives that would also make contextual sense. I personally consider myself to be PC, although I'm not claiming I'm perfect, and I don't consider that it takes a lot of effort or is at all difficult, just as it is to be polite, or have manners, or generally not be a dickhead. But I do think people can be TOO PC at times. It's difficult to say where to draw the line as there are too many variables. It's all dependent on the situation, the context, the parties involved etc. But generally I find people to be too PC when they seem hell bent on actively seeking things to complain about. Some people almost seem to revel in being "offended". That I don't really understand. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

05-06-2014, 08:54 AM	#19 (permalink)
Xurtio Brain Licker Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 1,083	Do you consider yourself a PC person? No Is being PC important to you? No. How do you feel about casual use of hate speech/slurs such as 'nigg@' or 'f@ggot'? It's not justified. I don't go up in arms about it, but unless they're a high schooler, or a close friend, they will get judged for it. Not just because of political correctedness, but also for inability to use words in a meaningful way. Also, I think there's an underlying assertion of sexual dominance in using the word *got. People pretend like it has nothing to do with the pejorative of homosexual, but the majority of cases, it's a male calling another male a got for wimpy/weak/intellectual (feminine) behavior. You almost never see a girl get called a got. So even though people deny sexuality is involved, I think it rides in the background. Do you feel like people are often times too easily offended? If so, at what point do you draw the line? Yes. People do get too easily offended, often. I'm not really into drawing lines. Do you feel there's a difference between prejudicial bigotry (I.E, the KKK) and ignorance/insensitivity to people who are in some cases seen as different? Well... some could claim that some members of the KKK are just ignorant (they were raised to believe that they're doing the right thing and black people are evil). But ignorance isn't wrong in itself, it's when people willfully remain ignorant by actively denying evidence. How do you respond to things/people that offend you? Do you find your responses have a positive, negative, or any impact? Generally I ask them what their point is. If they're just trolling (even in real life, just talking **) then there's little impact to be made. If they're genuinely angry or think I've wronged them in some way, I try to reconcile it... but I'll only try so hard. __________________ H̓̇̅̉yͤ͏mͬ͂ͧn͑̽̽̌ͪ̑͐͟o̴͊̈́͑̇m͛͌̓ͦ̑aͫ̽ͤ̇n̅̎͐̒ͫ͐c̆ͯͫ̋ ̔̃́eͯ͒rͬͬ̄҉

05-26-2014, 10:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
Mr. Charlie Shoo Thoughts Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: These Mountains Posts: 2,308	Do you consider yourself a PC person? No Is being PC important to you? No. How do you feel about casual use of hate speech/slurs such as 'nigg@' or 'f@ggot'? Depends whether there is genuine meaning behind them. Language isn't truth, so people can say all sorts of things and it doesn't have a bearing on reality, but if they genuinely feel hate and act on it, that's cause for concern and does affect reality. Do you feel like people are often times too easily offended? If so, at what point do you draw the line? Regularly. Do you feel there's a difference between prejudicial bigotry (I.E, the KKK) and ignorance/insensitivity to people who are in some cases seen as different? No. All prejudice is ignorance. How do you respond to things/people that offend you? Do you find your responses have a positive, negative, or any impact? Depends. Again, if they express genuine hatred or ignorance then I try reasoning with them, sometimes with success, sometimes not. If they ain't serious then I don't take offense. Thankfully I seldom come across real hatred in my day to day life. Last edited by Mr. Charlie; 05-26-2014 at 11:00 PM.

05-06-2014, 05:16 AM	#16 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	I dont really consider myself a pc person cause of justin long. jk umm well no im not really a pc person but i do have tact and i am good at recogizing my audience when bein funny or just talkin which many ppl are not. if its around complete strangers i will be politically correct but for instance if theres a bunch of guys around and not a lot of chicks maybe i will throw out a sexist type joke and see how it flies. if theres all white ppl maybe i make a joke with racial elements and see what happens. all light jokes tho just to test the waters and see whats up. i dont really get offended by pretty much anythin cause life is too short for that and theres really just nothin anyone could make fun of me for. if its in a joke form then i realize that and humor is different than bein serious. if they are serious then they wanna make me mad and i never let that happen. if ur askin if theres a difference between the kkk and bein insensitive to minorities then yes theres a huge difference imo. that being that one group isnt actively making that a significant part of their life. as for too easily offended i dunno about that. probably yes. be offended but ya dont gotta kill a joke or funny mood by expressing how offended u are unless someone is really out of line. i think in general ppl are a lil too serious and as ive said countless times here, most ppl seek out to become oppressed or victimized so they can take some petty stand and feel tough or somethin. on the internet this is all a different ball game. its not face to face interaction and i will never meet any ppl on any forums im on so its all different. these ppl dont effect my life in a significant way

05-06-2014, 08:19 AM	#18 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	fucks himself what u said can sometimes be true but a lot of ppl like to whine, be victims, etc etc etc. some things just arent that offensive and are obvious jokes but ppl like to get offended. so i dont take ppl at their word when they claim to be offended