No one's sayin you are dude but you did just say that you didn't see anything wrong with his comments in the link I posted. And I guess we can agree to disagree on Ted's obtaining legal guardianship over a minor so he could sleep with her being sexually predatory.

I don't know, it's pretty obvious what Ted did was predatory. He even wrote a song, which I incidentally posted in this thread, about crushing her disobedient face in:

You ran the night that you left me
You put me in my place
I got you in a stranglehold, baby
That night I crushed your face

He also wrote a song called Jailbait...

Rather than agree to disagree, you're just right.

Hey man your the genius on Nugent man. I said I didn't have a problem with his comments about Hilary Clinton, Obama, and the like. His comment on African Americans can be seen in two lights. If they do act like civilized people and do the right thing then wheres the problem? That can be said for any race,creed or color. I know how interviews can be skewed. Obviously I don't condone any of it and/or consider him anyone of importance in my life, but as i've said the man is entitiled to his opionions. And how does anyone know that he filed for legal guardianship of the said girl for sexual purposes? Who exactly supplied the info on that segue?

Far from a genius, don't take it personally dude. I'm just responding to what you said, maybe you didn't read all the comments or something. IDK. I'm not trying to instigate or anything but here:

And, it was FPK and Sansa who brought up the stuff about him becoming a guardian to get away with statutory. Still not sure how that works out legally, no one provided evidence on it either. If it is true, I stand by what I said. I just brought up the other stuff because I don't like him and that seems to be the theme the thread has taken- conservative musicians we do/don't like. I guess that's MB for ya, starts off one thing ends as something else.

Oh I never take anything personally. Especially when it comes to the defense of a privileged person in life. I wasn't implying you were instigating anything either, you're alright by me bro. You initially posted comments that didn't have the other info you posted in a later post is all. I'm not homophobic, racist, misogynist in the least and I don't want to insinuate that I am, i'm merely looking at it from a freedom of speech perspective.I'm basically playing devils advocate. Yes the thread has certainly taken a turn, and I got linked in with the tea party, but i'll get over it.

No offense taken and I hope I didn't offend anybody, except Sansa. :D

Ted is entitled to his opinions but he is still a piece of shit fuck that dude.

Yeah but hes not a sexual predator.

:D

Ignoring the irrelevant tangent this thread has turned into...


^This.

EDIT: However I'll add that if you work hard (legally) and earn a lot of money, you should absolutely not be punished and forced to do something simply because you have a lot of money.

It's the super rich people like the CEOs of bankrupted organizations (totally blanking out on the names of some of the companies right now) that made extremely poor business choices, flaunting their wealth, etc.., and were consequently bailed out by the government for those poor decisions, are the people whose companies need to be regulated (gasp!) because they have way too much power and more importantly, show they only care about money.

An increase in taxes for super rich people is NOT how we solve the problem. One of the notables areas I absolutely do not agree with Obama on.

How do you expect to "regulate" them then?

So basically he wrote a song about depravity and people spun it to mean he was a sexual predator. Typical newspaper spin.

No idea.

Lmao how is paedophilia discussion not relevant when the Catholic church is rampant with child abuse?? God I can't believe you keep getting more and more self righteous

People that usually take up your position usually think the answer is to say fuck the poor, elderly, disabled and children by cutting back on entitlement problems.

They feel like poor people are living it up waaaay too good off of welfare. like GTFO.

To be honest I didn't actually read the last two pages of this thread after there were 5 consecutive posts about Ted Nugent so if there was relevant discussion I didn't see it.

Also, I'm self-righteous? This coming from you who said the Ramones were the worst punk band ever.

It depends on what you mean by "taxing the rich". Capital gains tax cuts are certainly unfair and the richer one is, the more they can move their income generation to capital gains.

What's completely ironic about this is that they actually added clause so that if you're in the 10-15% income bracket (i.e. poor) you don't have to pay any taxes on capital gains.

Well isn't that nice? In order to justify tax cuts for the filthy rich, the people who can't even afford to invest in a sound manner are given a completely useless tax break.

Yea, poor ppl live the good life :p:

Some politicians think they are poor because they are lazy, the problem is not the economical crisis in their area, it's THEM, the moochers who live off our scraps.

They seem to mix the ppl mooching of the government with the ppl who just use the help to make end meets.
And mooching or not, living of government help alone is practically impossible unless you're a female with a bunch of kids.

Even though it's a program that it's easy to exploit, it also very regulated and you won't get rich out of it, it will just help you make end meets cause not everybody is lucky enough to be a rich politician.

People are'gross

Well some people in Uganda think it is ok to rape young girls but yet it is wrong to be a homosexual or bisexual.

^ Boo

I'd just like to point out that I've never heard any evidence that there is more child abuse in the Catholic Church than in other religions. It's just that the Catholic Church has a centralized "government" that can and has dealt with the situation in a systematic manner that say, Protestant churches really couldn't. So, problem isn't more Catholics being pedos so much as the Catholic Church being corrupt.

Not that I'm picking on you, just pointing that out.

*Scratched off record sound*

What!?
Didn't you see all the cases in the media? and that's not counting all the cases the church kept under wraps, relocating and protecting their pedo priests instead of changing their archaic traditions of repressing sexuality.

Priest can't get married, they're expected to be above carnal needs so they don't get a girl, instead they release that sexual repression with however is around and can keep it quiet.

And who is around? altar boys.

evangelic pastors can get married, and even if they dip into the congregation it's probably to nail a hot girl not her son.

Catholic priest cannot get married, only orthodox and Anglican priest can.
And if im not mistaken, it's the catholic ones who are starting all the trouble, cause a man has to f*ck something but if you take away the female option, what is left?

All that proves is that the cases get reported more. And they're generally more newsworthy because they involve Church cover-ups that you wouldn't get with a less centralized form of religion.

That implies that sexual abstinence leads to pedophilia. Do you even know whether or not the rate of pedophile priests vs non-pedophile priests is out of proportion to the rates in regular society? It's not really something I've spent time researching, but I'm certainly not going to jump on the "Catholic priests are pedos" bandwagon just because it's an easy assumption to make due to media saturation.

well yea i am implying that, i also recall of hearing stories about nuns having sex with farm animals back in the day and i think those acts come from the sexual repression in their doctrines.

and no i don't really have numbers to back this claim up, Im just going by human nature, celibacy is not for everyone, when you repress sexual feelings they comeback tenfold. they have to be released in some discrete way if you are taught to be ashamed of them.

And given the circumstances where a priest has easy access to children but not women it makes pedophilia a discrete alternative to let out those repressed sexual urges.

Im not saying their doctrines are breeding pedos but i think they see it as a loophole.

This is just my personal opinion though.

He is such a sad excuse for a musician

Well when you're condemning an entire religion for producing pedophiles, whatever the reason, you can't just go by assumptions and conjecture. As an atheist I'd love nothing more than to find another reason to flip the Catholic Church the bird, but I can't justify slagging them off for this particular reason without actual evidence.

Well dude, im not gonna have a statistics battle with you im just sharing my biased opinion. :)

And even though i mentioned the media scandals, that's not the sole reason i came to that conclusion, i came to that conclusion after knowing their doctrines, i was raised catholic and studied in a catholic school but then my mother turned evangelical so i came in contact with 2 different doctrines.

the evangelical tend to promote having a family.
And while they too have their share of sexual repression it is not as strict as the catholic church is.
they don't expect pastors to be as divine as a priest.

I don't really follow either, im agnostic.

It is not only Catholic Church. Other religions do it also. It just people want to only focus on the Catholic church. But pastors (well most) like to go into prostitution and screw around with the other women for enjoyment and money.

The Catholic church gets a lot of attention because the Vatican has a distinct moral authority (legally, I mean) and there's an impression that they use it to soften repercussions for their own.

What does that have in common with abusing kids, FPK?


(I'm not saying there's no child abuse in other churches)

Anyway for your information, you have not heard about Ted Haggard and Jimmy Swaggart. They did the unthinkable. The rape situations in catholic churches and pastors ****ing young men and other women are reasons why more and more people are not attending church.

Am I the only one who has never heard of him?

Which one that I mentioned Vanilla.

Uh, Paul Ryan.

Ted Haggard and Jimmy Swaggart are both swine but neither of them were known to be molesting/raping children. They are reprehensible hypocrites and liars and thieves, but child molestation and rape is far worse. As much as I loathe them both, IMO what neither of them were disgraced for should even be illegal (except the drugs in the case of Haggard). What should have been illegal is how they both got rich in the first place. What some of these priests did (again I'm not saying that only catholic priests are guilty of this, e.g. Jerry Sandusky) is as egregious as crimes get.

As for those two and their ilk keeping people out of church, I will only say it has zero impact on me, I don't go to any church because I don't believe in any religion.

He was the VP candidate along side Romney last election.

Just be thankful you get to be ignorant of our douchebag American politicians.