djchameleon

I didn't say anything about them being happy or not living traditional gender roles but to force and pigeon hold people and expect them to live their life that way is what I'm calling cavemen like.

It's an old outdated mentality and it's kind of sad when people pass it on to their kids instead of letting their kids decide how they want to be as a person. There are people that are perfectly fine living like they are in the 50s with the way that they think about gender roles.

I know it isn't my place though to tell people how they should raise their own children. I am just commenting on how it's kind of sad to tell someone they can't do something just because "boys/girls aren't supposed to do that."

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Black Francis

Huh?
What discussion are we having? And did you just call me a caveman? lol

i thought i was debating with WD.

But yea Deej, there are some topics we will simply not agree on.
And that's cool, i don't need everybody to think like me.

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butthead aka 216

Traditional type roles work fine

Everyone has their own alterations in their relationships. Men n women are just generally each suited to be better at certain aspects

GuD

They work fine if you identify with them. If you don't you're quite likely in for a very miserable life filled with people who tell you to just get over it and be more like them.

The only reason a man or woman would be better suited to a task would be because they were conditioned to be so.

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butthead aka 216

And sexes are conditioned seperately towards certain things. So I don't ignore that. I'm not an idealist or live in an alternate reality and of course we are all speaking in generslities which I wont mention again. Just csuse ppl are conditioned a certsin way don't mean much to me

GuD

So, when discussing the capabilities of a person in regards to their gender, it doesn't matter much to you that a person might have been brought up being told they should behave in certain ways and not others? Because that's kind of a huge detail in the debate.

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butthead aka 216

I was getting at that social conditioning isn't always some buzzword terrible thing. The fact that ppl are conditioned certain ways doesn't bother me. Just naturally tho sexes are more inclibed to be better at certain things

GuD

At all, in any scenario? Really?

I'm hoping that's not the case because people who are conditioned to be someone/something they are not go through a lot of pain and it's pretty sick and twisted to be indifferent to that.

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Black Francis

You can't avoid social conditioning, it's everywhere house holds, schools, Tv, etc

And while not everybody as to accept that conditioning they do serve as guidelines for your gender if not your gender your overall development.

ofc with guidance can come alot of ignorance, if your father is on the KKK you can be sure they won't be teaching racial tolerance in that house hold, however even ignorance can teach you how to not to be ignorant.

It's hard not to be a product of your environment, it's an uphill battle for sure, especially when you get no understanding in your own home.

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GuD

I'm not saying it could be avoided, I'm just saying it's callous and cruel to not care if someone's being conditioned to be someone they are not.

Guidelines for your gender? No one needs guidelines on their gender dude, at all. Being a man or a woman or whatever else is whatever an individual makes it out to be. There are no rules on what it means to be a man or a woman or whatever else.

This I can agree on.

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