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View Poll Results: Are you pro or anti establishment?
Pro; I believe the govt and its agencies do a good job 5 17.24%
Anti; I think they're corrupt right the way through 11 37.93%
Either don't know or don't care (so why are you voting?) 3 10.34%
anal beads 10 34.48%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-19-2018, 10:28 AM   #71 (permalink)
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I voted anal beads but you'd probably consider me a commie.
Only if you complained about capitalism after purchasing said anal beads.
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Old 04-19-2018, 10:55 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Ghay, I must know who the commies are m8.
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Old 04-19-2018, 01:28 PM   #73 (permalink)
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I hate framing things as "pro gov" or "anti gov"

it's about being pro worker or pro elites, pro democracy or pro oligarchy

it matters that the gov serves our interests not simply if there's less or more of it
Yeah, pretty much. It's an oversimplification for sure. You can govern a nation in a million ways, so it's not just a question of "how much". I feel like people are a bit too willing to reduce everything down to a binary. Not on this forum - just in general when you see people talk about politics, ethics or morals.
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Old 04-19-2018, 04:57 PM   #74 (permalink)
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I hate framing things as "pro gov" or "anti gov"

it's about being pro worker or pro elites, pro democracy or pro oligarchy

it matters that the gov serves our interests not simply if there's less or more of it
If the government is not going to serve my interests, than I'd rather there be less of it. Just sayin...
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Less openings for corruption.
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Old 04-20-2018, 04:55 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Corporations run the government though.
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more openings for corporate domination
Can't forget more openings for corporate domination.
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and what they want is less government oversight or ineffectual government oversight

ie Scott Pruitt as the head of the EPA
Therefore make the government bigger?
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more private accountability to the public in some areas, less in others

a downsizing of the government is not inherently a positive thing, indeed it's often a symptom of corruption
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Whenever I say people need to be more accountable for themselves I get looked down on.. but you can say it about the establishment and it's okay. This seems unfair.

If everyone was accountable and held others accountable we'd hardly need a government.
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