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DwnWthVwls 04-19-2018 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1942355)
I hate framing things as "pro gov" or "anti gov"

it's about being pro worker or pro elites, pro democracy or pro oligarchy

it matters that the gov serves our interests not simply if there's less or more of it

If the government is not going to serve my interests, than I'd rather there be less of it. Just sayin...

Frownland 04-19-2018 10:32 PM

Less openings for corruption.

DwnWthVwls 04-20-2018 03:55 AM

Corporations run the government though.

Frownland 04-20-2018 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1942561)
more openings for corporate domination

Can't forget more openings for corporate domination.

Frownland 04-20-2018 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1942643)
and what they want is less government oversight or ineffectual government oversight

ie Scott Pruitt as the head of the EPA

Therefore make the government bigger?

Frownland 04-20-2018 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1942652)
more private accountability to the public in some areas, less in others

a downsizing of the government is not inherently a positive thing, indeed it's often a symptom of corruption

Hmm

DwnWthVwls 04-20-2018 01:44 PM

Whenever I say people need to be more accountable for themselves I get looked down on.. but you can say it about the establishment and it's okay. This seems unfair.

If everyone was accountable and held others accountable we'd hardly need a government. :D

DwnWthVwls 04-20-2018 02:33 PM

Now you're just ad homineming me.

Education and self reliance bad.. bad people bad.

DwnWthVwls 04-20-2018 10:00 PM

I mean idk what you think.. you think personal bootstrapping is meaningless, so i assume you also think taking some responsibility in educating yourself is also meaningless. Why do anything for ourselves if systems are in place to enable complacency? If you're happy with not making changes because they are more expensive short term who am I to tell you you're wrong? I just find you to a be a silly goose.

DwnWthVwls 04-20-2018 10:16 PM

So how did we discover the importance of education if we werent always educated?


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