Ukraine Riots

Unknown Soldier · 02-24-2014, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

If the past tells us anything, I think the last thing Ukrainians want is to be dominated by Russia.

Well given that only 40% of people voted for trade agreement with the EU, I don't think the above is necessarily true. In many ways it makes sense that the Ukraine continues to have stronger ties once again with Russia, as the Russian economy has been strong for a number of years now (one of the best in Europe) whereas Ukraine's has been really bad and of course there are huge cultural ties between the two countries, but then of course there has been a lot of animosity between the two countries as well. It's kind of like England and Scotland but on a much larger scale!

Neapolitan · 02-24-2014, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Well given that only 40% of people voted for trade agreement with the EU, I don't think the above is necessarily true. In many ways it makes sense that the Ukraine continues to have stronger ties once again with Russia, as the Russian economy has been strong for a number of years now (one of the best in Europe) whereas Ukraine's has been really bad and of course there are huge cultural ties between the two countries, but then of course there has been a lot of animosity between the two countries as well. It's kind of like England and Scotland but on a much larger scale!

Still that figure of 40% doesn't mean that 60% of Ukrainians want to be dominated by Russia. 72% of Ukrainians want to see the Ukraine and Russian to be independent friendly states... as I see it, I'm 32 points ahead of you.

Unknown Soldier · 02-24-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Still that figure of 40% doesn't mean that 60% of Ukrainians want to be dominated by Russia. 72% of Ukrainians want to see the Ukraine and Russian to be independent friendly states... as I see it, I'm 32 points ahead of you.

Nothing wrong with your maths there and both are independent and friendly states. The problem is one is a booming economic giant and the other just the opposite at the moment, so as is human nature the former is going to take a more dominant approach in that friendship and dictate what they should do, as per usual the west doesn't much care for it .

Neapolitan · 02-24-2014, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Nothing wrong with your maths there and both are independent and friendly states. The problem is one is a booming economic giant and the other just the opposite at the moment, so as is human nature the former is going to take a more dominant approach in that friendship and dictate what they should do, as per usual the west doesn't much care for it.

Either side doesn't much care for what the other side. Russia also doesn't care much for EU is doing. In a way it is a fork in the road that leads to the Ukraine into one form or another of relinquishing some of its sovereignty. The EU is inviting it to join, but maybe somewhere down the road or it would be subject to EU laws that perhaps were unforeseen at the time. Or if Russia prevails the Ukraine will someday be assumed (along with Belarus) into a single Russian (federation) and inevitably loosing its national identity.

Unknown Soldier · 02-25-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Either side doesn't much care for what the other side. Russia also doesn't care much for EU is doing. In a way it is a fork in the road that leads to the Ukraine into one form or another of relinquishing some of its sovereignty. The EU is inviting it to join, but maybe somewhere down the road or it would be subject to EU laws that perhaps were unforeseen at the time. Or if Russia prevails the Ukraine will someday be assumed (along with Belarus) into a single Russian (federation) and inevitably loosing its national identity.

Well half of the Eastern European countries in the EU still don't really apply EU law as they should do, so I'd imagine if the Ukraine joined they'd get away with all sorts without giving up too much of their sovereignty. As for a future Russian Federation, Belarus is actually still like a throwback to the old Soviet Union and is suspicious and paranoid about everything anyway. Russia though has lost its Baltic states but they're relatively small states to lose, Ukraine though is a different ball game as it is a large country with a large population and it occupies a large chunk of the Black Sea coast and for these reasons Russia certainly doesn't want the Ukraine falling into the hands of the EU.