Trollheart

Who could believe, or indeed stomach, this?

BBC News - Lostprophets' Ian Watkins sentenced to 35 years over child sex offences

Bastard got everything he deserved. Jesus ****ing Christ!

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Trollheart

And for those of you who ask, will I now stick to what I said about how I view music created by people guilty of such heinous crimes, yes: I have deleted their music from my PC, erased the review I did of their album in my journal and I will be dumping the CD.

Anyone who thinks that's over the top has not yet read the article. An evil man of pretty much unparalleled depravity. May he burn in Hell and have the worst possible time in prison. Bastard. And **** those excuses for mothers too. God! How are there such people in this world???

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Janszoon

He is indeed a horrible human being, but I'm not sure I agree with you about deleting the band's music. He's not the only member of the band and the rest of the band had no involvement in his crimes and were just as horrified as we are about him crimes. In some ways they're victims as well.

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Sansa Stark

Yeah I don't believe this at all. There have been rumours about his "proclivities" for years and it was well known that he took underage girls as his groupies (14-16 yr olds). They're not victims and it's really rather disgusting that you would even say such a silly thing. How could they just /not/ know?

I agree with Trollheart's deleting of their music tbh

Janszoon

I'd imagine they could not know in the same way that other people have not known things in the past. Just because you're in a band with someone doesn't mean you know everything about them.

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Paul Smeenus

Back around 1990 I had a band with my at-the-time GF and a few friends, including a percussionist (congas, bongos, sundry shakers) that we all loved. He always made everybody feel better about themselves, he just had this magnificent spirit that everyone was attracted to. He had a GF and two kids, and was a psychologist for a school for troubled, runaway high school age kids. Anyway, we had the band and we recorded some songs in 1990. By the end of that year my GF finally came to her senses and realized she could do a lot better than me (although we remained friends) and the band broke up.

As the 90's became the 00's the conga guy had really fallen apart. He started drinking heavily, lost his GF, lost his job, my ex was really magnanimous when it came to helping people and she puf him up for a time in a kinda mother-in-law type second little addition on her property, with the understanding that he would get himself back on his feet. She also had her sister and two young kids (around 5-8 I think) living with her.

The guy never got better and in fact was drinking harder. After several months of this, my ex caught that SOB molesting the older daughter, her niece. AFAIK he is still in jail for that, although I think it more likely that he was released as a registered sex offender (or back in jail for re-offending). I dunno, I won't give the guy two shits of my life or interest in any way shape or form.

The reason I bring this up is those recordings. Yes, I still have those recordings and I still occasionally listen to them and I'm still proud of them. But without question I bristle when I hear those congas. But I love the other three people that were in that band (I've completely lost touch with all three of them though, the last I've seen of any of them was in '07 when I took the guitarist to an Over Ths Rhine show in Portland), so I will always cherish those recordings. I just wish I could crawl into them and beat the conga player senseless.

The deleting-the-music aspect of Trollheart's post made me think of that.

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Cuthbert

Yeah it's not the sort of thing you'd tell your mate to be honest.

I'm sure they knew about the groupies, doubt they knew about the other stuff.

BTW I read the full details when they leaked about a month ago, horrific. Another thing that's pissed me off is Peaches Geldof posting the names of the mothers on Twatter the stupid pseudo intellectual cunt. Hope she gets charged.

Mojo

Jesus Christ. I wasn't even aware of this, so I just did some research. What a stupid, clueless bitch. It also seems the names of the "mothers" went up on the courts website in its services listing. Seriously, for ****s sake man.

Whats just as bad is the torrent of idiots commenting on these articles and posting tweets about it, basically asking what the big deal is.

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Zer0

I used to listen to these guys when I was in school. I never would have thought in a million years back then that Ian Watkins would be such a sick, fucked up human being. I only had their first two albums The Fake Sound of Progress and Start Something, both of which I've long since parted with due to losing interest in them. Looking back I think they were a fairly crap band.

Should people destroy their CDs/delete their mp3s because of this? It is a delicate subject but it's up to them really, if they can still listen to their music regardless of what happened then I'm not going to criticise them. I they want to throw their CDs off a huge cliff and into the sea I'm not going to stop them either. I still enjoy listening to Burzum regardless of Varg. However I really do feel sorry for the remaining band remembers who clearly had no idea of what was going on. To have people stop listening to their music because of this is cruel on them.

Also, this has now become what's possibly the most disturbing music video ever:

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Mojo

While I acknowledge what you're saying about supposed rumours that have been circulating for some time before his arrest, and some accounts of fans allegedly reporting him to the police prior to his eventual arrest, I don't think you can state that his band members are absolutely not victims and definitely "in on it" in some way.

I've read the details of every charge brought to him and every piece of evidence given to support them. I can't possibly know whether his bandmates knew he was sleeping with underage girls and groupies, and the girl who came forward who said she lost her virginity to him was 16, which is underage there but not here, but even if they ever had any kind of bad feeling about him I really dont think the mind would ever jump to the conclusions of exactly the extent of what he was doing. I've personally never read anything like it, and I won't soon forget it. It'll stay with me.

All of the charges brought to him in court, after reading the details, are of things he was doing in private conversations, Skype chats, texts and meetings and not necessarily linked to his band in any way other than these girls appear to have been fans of his that he has used to manipulate them. Unless he was in constant contact with these women while at shows, on tour, or in the studio, I don't see why it's so difficult to believe that this side of his life was something he indulged in privately, away from his family, his friends and his band mates.

I don't see any difference between assuming that his bandmates knew about what he was up to, and assuming that his family also knew, as well as the family and friends of every peadophile.

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