The worst case ever of child abuse by a musician in modern times?

Lisnaholic · 12-20-2013, 07:20 AM

> I think Trollheart´s decision to ditch those LP cds is very understandable, and it´s mirrored by the local council in Watson´s hometown, who are ripping up some commemorative paving stones that had been laid down in his honour.

> I suppose that some suspicion must attach to the band, but I still think that "Innocent until proven guilty" is the best basis for acheiving justice, so we should be reserving judgement on their collusion.

> Nowhere is it written that good luck and good sense necessarily go together, a fact amply illustrated by this remark:-

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Originally Posted by Tuna

Hitler's actions didn't stop me from reading Mein Kampf

^ You´re a lucky one,Tuna: unfortunately six million European Jews were denied the chance of joining you in your vile and gratuitous boast.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I agree. A giant trebuchet flinging him into outer space seems like it might have been more appropriate.

^

So that´s how the Chinese recently landed their moon-rover...

The Batlord · 12-20-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

Take offenders like this out back n put a bullet in em

Anyone assumin the rest of the band knew is bein very stupid here. Like just completely dumb and prob the same plebes who believed joepa was in on the sandusky stuff. I don't understand boycottin stuff but to each their own on that. From the drug angle its totally in pkay cause he woulda likely not done some stuff without drugs. Junkies and addicts aren't kbown for good life choices

I can understand. I have a fascination with Nazi black metal bands just cause there's a weird sort of mystique about them, but pedophiles just aren't interesting so there's nothing between me and the creep factor. I wouldn't not listen to them based on a moral choice so much as I just wouldn't be able to ignore it long enough to actually listen to the music.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-20-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I can understand. I have a fascination with Nazi black metal bands just cause there's a weird sort of mystique about them, but pedophiles just aren't interesting so there's nothing between me and the creep factor. I wouldn't not listen to them based on a moral choice so much as I just wouldn't be able to ignore it long enough to actually listen to the music.

Is this a piss take? I'd been considering getting some albums myself actually. Same reason.

The Batlord · 12-20-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Christian Benteke

Is this a piss take? I'd been considering getting some albums myself actually. Same reason.

Nope. Love Burzum, Absurd, and Grand Belial's Key. Obviously this isn't the place for this discussion, but if you'd like to take this to the Black Metal thread or PM I'd be happy to.

Zer0 · 12-20-2013, 11:40 AM

I used to listen to these guys when I was in school. I never would have thought in a million years back then that Ian Watkins would be such a sick, fucked up human being. I only had their first two albums The Fake Sound of Progress and Start Something, both of which I've long since parted with due to losing interest in them. Looking back I think they were a fairly crap band.

Should people destroy their CDs/delete their mp3s because of this? It is a delicate subject but it's up to them really, if they can still listen to their music regardless of what happened then I'm not going to criticise them. I they want to throw their CDs off a huge cliff and into the sea I'm not going to stop them either. I still enjoy listening to Burzum regardless of Varg. However I really do feel sorry for the remaining band remembers who clearly had no idea of what was going on. To have people stop listening to their music because of this is cruel on them.

Also, this has now become what's possibly the most disturbing music video ever:

Paul Smeenus · 12-20-2013, 12:01 PM

This guy had plans on raping his as-yet unborn child

Man arrested for child porn before he could make good on... | www.kirotv.com

Trollheart · 12-20-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

Its all part of the choices that you make. Even when you think you're right you have to give to take

What does that even mean??? What are you trying to say? Give and take? About what? That someone might think I'm "grandstanding" with absolutely no basis for that? I have to admit I have no clue what you're talking about.

Tuna, a few things:

1. Your Hitler analogy is hopeless inaccurate and inappropriate. Everybody knows what a scumbag Hitler was, so anyone who sits down now to read Mein Kampf does so with that knowledge, so that's their choice. I'm talking about listening to music and then some years later finding out about this horror. Not the same thing at all. If anyone who has never heard LP now wishes to do so (God I hope this doesn't have a backwards upsurge for their albums!) then that's their choice: they know what to expect.

2. "... that we care"? You can speak for you. Unless others express similar sentiments -- which so far as I can see they have not --- then you're talking about one individual, so it becomes "that I care." And I don't care that you don't care, but please stop trying to speak for a group. I'm not saying everyone does care, but some do. Also, this is not about me; that part of the thread is being derailed by your comment, so thanks for that.

3. Why do some people have to throw in snide comments to attack the person who started the thread, just because they don't like them? It's totally childish. Tuna avoided commenting on this man's crimes and jsut sniped at me instead. Real mature.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-20-2013, 12:43 PM

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midnight rain · 12-20-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

What does that even mean??? What are you trying to say? Give and take? About what? That someone might think I'm "grandstanding" with absolutely no basis for that? I have to admit I have no clue what you're talking about.

Tuna, a few things:

1. Your Hitler analogy is hopeless inaccurate and inappropriate. Everybody knows what a scumbag Hitler was, so anyone who sits down now to read Mein Kampf does so with that knowledge, so that's their choice. I'm talking about listening to music and then some years later finding out about this horror. Not the same thing at all. If anyone who has never heard LP now wishes to do so (God I hope this doesn't have a backwards upsurge for their albums!) then that's their choice: they know what to expect.

2. "... that we care"? You can speak for you. Unless others express similar sentiments -- which so far as I can see they have not --- then you're talking about one individual, so it becomes "that I care." And I don't care that you don't care, but please stop trying to speak for a group. I'm not saying everyone does care, but some do. Also, this is not about me; that part of the thread is being derailed by your comment, so thanks for that.

3. Why do some people have to throw in snide comments to attack the person who started the thread, just because they don't like them? It's totally childish. Tuna avoided commenting on this man's crimes and jsut sniped at me instead. Real mature.

You're the same poster who worked to get hhbh's journal shut down simply cause you didn't like the subject matter right? I cant stand people who want to encroach on other's rights with their own beliefs, such as denying the right to read a journal or listen to a piece of music simply because you don't agree with the intent, message, or messenger. Obviously you're not in a position of power to outright ban Lostprophets' music like you were with the hhbh journal, but given the right circumstances would you? I dunno, but would seem so. I'm not going to cultivate that attitude. Sorry that I'm an advocate of free speech, am able to separate the message from the messenger, and am able to take a message in as an other's perspective, without necessarily agreeing with what's being said (and this is outright ignoring the fact that they weren't actually singing about raping children ffs). I don't find listening to their music to be an extension of support of what they chose to do in their personal lives. If I did, I would probably have to get rid of my Phil Spector, Chuck Berry, 2Pac, Sam Cooke, etc discography

Condemning the guy for his actions is beating a dead horse at this point, I wouldn't be saying anything new. But so that it's not lost on anyway, yes he seems like a depraved, very mentally ill guy.

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

> Nowhere is it written that good luck and good sense necessarily go together, a fact amply illustrated by this remark:-

^ You´re a lucky one,Tuna: unfortunately six million European Jews were denied the chance of joining you in your vile and gratuitous boast.

You don't know anything about me, and that wasn't a boast (a bit provocative, maybe). It was an illustration of my world view of taking in as many perspectives as possible in this life. Doesn't mean I have to agree with each & every perspective, part of seeing their world view is so that I can see the flaw in it and reject it on my own terms for what it is, rather than rejecting on principle and (in Hitler's case) a bastardized understanding of what he was saying propagated by Western society.

Lisnaholic · 12-20-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

You don't know anything about me, and that wasn't a boast (a bit provocative, maybe). It was an illustration of my world view of taking in as many perspectives as possible in this life. Doesn't mean I have to agree with each & every perspective, part of seeing their world view is so that I can see the flaw in it and reject it on my own terms for what it is, rather than rejecting on principle and (in Hitler's case) a bastardized understanding of what he was saying propagated by Western society.

True enough, that I don´t know anything about you, Tuna - in fact, although I´ve seen you around on MB, I tend to get you mixed up with Tumor.

On reflection, I think perhaps I over-reacted to a comment that struck me as sounding worse than you probably intended it to sound. You are of course entitled to read what you like - and if you are dipping into a lot of bizarre material, I hope you come to a balanced assessment of it.

12-20-2013, 11:40 AM	#45 (permalink)
Zer0 ∞ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 3,792	I used to listen to these guys when I was in school. I never would have thought in a million years back then that Ian Watkins would be such a sick, fucked up human being. I only had their first two albums The Fake Sound of Progress and Start Something, both of which I've long since parted with due to losing interest in them. Looking back I think they were a fairly crap band. Should people destroy their CDs/delete their mp3s because of this? It is a delicate subject but it's up to them really, if they can still listen to their music regardless of what happened then I'm not going to criticise them. I they want to throw their CDs off a huge cliff and into the sea I'm not going to stop them either. I still enjoy listening to Burzum regardless of Varg. However I really do feel sorry for the remaining band remembers who clearly had no idea of what was going on. To have people stop listening to their music because of this is cruel on them. Also, this has now become what's possibly the most disturbing music video ever: __________________ Last FM \| RYM \| The Final Sound

12-20-2013, 12:43 PM	#48 (permalink)
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