The worst case ever of child abuse by a musician in modern times?

Trollheart · 12-19-2013, 03:47 PM

As I said, it's not like I was a huge fan of LP. I knew none of them and had only heard the one album, which I liked but which hardly changed my life. Your example, Paul, is far more personal and precious to you and I understand your feelings there. But as I was never that into LP, and further, as (as I've already mentioned) it's the singer, well, ex-singer now I guess, that's involved it's something you couldn't avoid were you to listen to the music again. In your case, it's a drummer, so yeah, maybe the drums bug you but you can get past that by listening to the rest of the music. In this case, the guy would be screaming and shouting all over the songs --- that's the type of singer he was, quite aggressive --- and I would not be able to ignore it.

Also, consider this: how do I know (I don't of course but equally I don't NOT know) that he wasn't recording his albums while carrying out these atrocities against kids? How do I know he didn't finish a recording session or even play a gig and while the others were down the pub or in the hotel or whatever, he was off molesting children? He's never shown any remorse (except finally, when he was sentenced, which I don't buy at all: that's just insurance for when he's in with the hard cases for most of the rest of his life) and seems to have no redeeming qualities. I would not give him the air I breathe, so I'm damned if he's getting my attention or taking up listening time, or writing time (journal entry deleted).

I know the rest of the band may not have had anything to do with this or known about it, but have they said so? Has it been established? Bands are notoriously "one for all", specially out on the road where they may only have each other for company. You think he didn't let it slip about this at some point? Maybe they didn't believe him. Maybe he did keep it a secret. I don't know. All I know is that the whole band is now tainted thanks to his evil, and I won't have anything more to do with them. Possibly, if they release an album without him I may listen, but not to the ones he recorded with them.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-19-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

I know the rest of the band may not have had anything to do with this or known about it, but have they said so? Has it been established? Bands are notoriously "one for all", specially out on the road where they may only have each other for company.

Yep.

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You think he didn't let it slip about this at some point? Maybe they didn't believe him. Maybe he did keep it a secret. I don't know. All I know is that the whole band is now tainted thanks to his evil, and I won't have anything more to do with them. Possibly, if they release an album without him I may listen, but not to the ones he recorded with them.

If they knew, it won't be because he told them.

midnight rain · 12-19-2013, 04:33 PM

Trollheart getting self-righteous again I see.

Hitler's actions didn't stop me from reading Mein Kampf

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 12-19-2013, 05:15 PM

Take offenders like this out back n put a bullet in em

Anyone assumin the rest of the band knew is bein very stupid here. Like just completely dumb and prob the same plebes who believed joepa was in on the sandusky stuff. I don't understand boycottin stuff but to each their own on that. From the drug angle its totally in pkay cause he woulda likely not done some stuff without drugs. Junkies and addicts aren't kbown for good life choices

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-19-2013, 05:22 PM

IMO if you like the music, listen to it, nothing else should matter. Most musicians/celebrities are bellends to me, granted this is next level but if I boycotted everyone's music who I don't like on a personal level, there'd be nobody left for me to listen to.

Mojo · 12-19-2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Christian Benteke

BTW I read the full details when they leaked about a month ago, horrific. Another thing that's pissed me off is Peaches Geldof posting the names of the mothers on Twatter the stupid pseudo intellectual cunt. Hope she gets charged.

Jesus Christ. I wasn't even aware of this, so I just did some research. What a stupid, clueless bitch. It also seems the names of the "mothers" went up on the courts website in its services listing. Seriously, for ****s sake man.

Whats just as bad is the torrent of idiots commenting on these articles and posting tweets about it, basically asking what the big deal is.

Trollheart · 12-19-2013, 05:39 PM

Don't understand why you're getting upset about the mothers' names being posted? Serves the evil ****ers right. They should have no protection, **** them. It may not have been her place to do so (Geldof) but I wouldn't put her down for it. People who engage in this kind of **** get too much protection: "Woman A"? "Woman B"? **** that! Name and shame, I say!

Also, tuna, seriously, shove it. What do you know? You think I'm being self-righteous here? It's my choice if I decide to burn their CDs (and not in a good way) --- I'm not saying everyone should do it, but I am. That's my choice and you've no call to be judging me on it.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 12-19-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Don't understand why you're getting upset about the mothers' names being posted? Serves the evil ****ers right. They should have no protection, **** them. It may not have been her place to do so (Geldof) but I wouldn't put her down for it. People who engage in this kind of **** get too much protection: "Woman A"? "Woman B"? **** that! Name and shame, I say!

It's not about the mothers, I don't care about them, it's about the victims. Vigilante Twatter warriors really boil my piss, posting the names without a second's thought as to why they haven't been named in the media.

Mojo · 12-19-2013, 05:43 PM

Trollheart, maybe the mothers dont deserve protection or anonymity, but their children do.

By posting the names of the mothers, she is identifying the victims too.

Trollheart · 12-19-2013, 06:15 PM

Right, right. Good points, guys.
Can't see too well past this bloody red mist...

12-19-2013, 03:47 PM	#21 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	As I said, it's not like I was a huge fan of LP. I knew none of them and had only heard the one album, which I liked but which hardly changed my life. Your example, Paul, is far more personal and precious to you and I understand your feelings there. But as I was never that into LP, and further, as (as I've already mentioned) it's the singer, well, ex-singer now I guess, that's involved it's something you couldn't avoid were you to listen to the music again. In your case, it's a drummer, so yeah, maybe the drums bug you but you can get past that by listening to the rest of the music. In this case, the guy would be screaming and shouting all over the songs --- that's the type of singer he was, quite aggressive --- and I would not be able to ignore it. Also, consider this: how do I know (I don't of course but equally I don't NOT know) that he wasn't recording his albums while carrying out these atrocities against kids? How do I know he didn't finish a recording session or even play a gig and while the others were down the pub or in the hotel or whatever, he was off molesting children? He's never shown any remorse (except finally, when he was sentenced, which I don't buy at all: that's just insurance for when he's in with the hard cases for most of the rest of his life) and seems to have no redeeming qualities. I would not give him the air I breathe, so I'm damned if he's getting my attention or taking up listening time, or writing time (journal entry deleted). I know the rest of the band may not have had anything to do with this or known about it, but have they said so? Has it been established? Bands are notoriously "one for all", specially out on the road where they may only have each other for company. You think he didn't let it slip about this at some point? Maybe they didn't believe him. Maybe he did keep it a secret. I don't know. All I know is that the whole band is now tainted thanks to his evil, and I won't have anything more to do with them. Possibly, if they release an album without him I may listen, but not to the ones he recorded with them. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

12-19-2013, 05:39 PM	#27 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	Don't understand why you're getting upset about the mothers' names being posted? Serves the evil **ers right. They should have no protection, them. It may not have been her place to do so (Geldof) but I wouldn't put her down for it. People who engage in this kind of get too much protection: "Woman A"? "Woman B"? ** that! Name and shame, I say! Also, tuna, seriously, shove it. What do you know? You think I'm being self-righteous here? It's my choice if I decide to burn their CDs (and not in a good way) --- I'm not saying everyone should do it, but I am. That's my choice and you've no call to be judging me on it. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

12-19-2013, 05:43 PM	#29 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Trollheart, maybe the mothers dont deserve protection or anonymity, but their children do. By posting the names of the mothers, she is identifying the victims too. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

12-19-2013, 06:15 PM	#30 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	Right, right. Good points, guys. Can't see too well past this bloody red mist... __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

12-19-2013, 04:33 PM	#23 (permalink)
midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	Trollheart getting self-righteous again I see. Hitler's actions didn't stop me from reading Mein Kampf

12-19-2013, 05:15 PM	#24 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	Take offenders like this out back n put a bullet in em Anyone assumin the rest of the band knew is bein very stupid here. Like just completely dumb and prob the same plebes who believed joepa was in on the sandusky stuff. I don't understand boycottin stuff but to each their own on that. From the drug angle its totally in pkay cause he woulda likely not done some stuff without drugs. Junkies and addicts aren't kbown for good life choices

12-19-2013, 05:22 PM	#25 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	IMO if you like the music, listen to it, nothing else should matter. Most musicians/celebrities are bellends to me, granted this is next level but if I boycotted everyone's music who I don't like on a personal level, there'd be nobody left for me to listen to.