The many benefits of a child-free life

The Batlord · 11-26-2013, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

I think it's easier for a man to go and ask a doctor for a vasectomy than it is for a woman to go and ask a doctor to get her tubes tied.

Sure, but it's still my junk. Not yours. If you were my wife and we were talking about it, then of course you would have a right to have an opinion since it would affect you as well, but if not then you have no right to tell me whether or not to get a vasectomy.

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Doctors always question everything a woman wants to do to her reproductive organs, and yet they will dole out vasectomies to men like candy. It's a whole lot easier to reverse a vasectomy than it is to reverse tubal ligation (and I don't think that can actually happen, tbh), so I don't think a doctor is going to ask a man if he's 100% sure about the decision. It's not that anyone is being selfish there, it's that doctors always think that a woman is going to change her mind about if she wants kids or wants more kids.

Sorry, but that's not my problem. I don't mean that in a mean way, but how hard it is for you to get your tubes tied has zero to do with me getting snipped.

WWWP · 11-26-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I didn't bring up the chronic depression line to make light of your views but it was a throw away comment that ended up helping me understand why you felt that way. The pessimistic attitude that you have towards life. It just all started to click and that's why I said it. I didn't mean for you to take it as an insult.

But this is exactly what is insulting to me. I may be depressed but that doesn't make my arrival at these views any less rational or valid.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Also I really don't agree with that whole Russian roulette analogy. I don't know if you cleared it up in later posts or someone else touched on it but it's pretty bad.

I did, you should read them.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

You can get genetic testing ahead of time to see the likelihood of your offspring being born with certain diseases and even if they were. I'm on the complete opposite spectrum of you on this argument and I feel like they should still come into this world and experience life even if it might not be the best life for them.

What? Are you kidding me?

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I don't get how you can define life and put it into a little box where only certain circumstances are needed for someone's life to be good. The love from their family and cultural differences should determine this. I don't agree with antinatalism's point of views at all. It basically comes down to shaming people for wanting to have children and you might as well be shaming women for wanting to have an abortion.

I'm not shaming anyone, I'm presenting the case for a different perspective. Your argument is incoherent.

djchameleon · 11-26-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Junkyard Donner

But this is exactly what is insulting to me. I may be depressed but that doesn't make my arrival at these views any less rational or valid.

All I'm saying is that it makes sense and they go hand in hand to have those views if you are depressed. I'm not trying to say that it is irrational to hold that viewpoint and a person doesn't have to be depressed to think the way that you do but in your case I just feel like it goes together. If me saying that still feel insulting to you then I apologize but it's just the way I feel about the matter.

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Originally Posted by Junkyard Donner

What? Are you kidding me?

Life is what you make of it. Not everyone is born with a silver spoon in their mouth and they don't need to be to live a happy life. There are positives and negatives associated with life that are meant to be experienced to make you a more rounded individual I believe. Also when you create a child the best interests of the child is to protect them as much as you can and make decisions in their favor. Do you regret that your parents had you?

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I'm not shaming anyone, I'm presenting the case for a different perspective. Your argument is incoherent.

I see you later corrected it. The whole shaming part was associated with you claiming that people that want to have children are selfish.

ladyislingering · 11-26-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

and i can prevent a fiery car wreck with an oil tanker by never drivin. if thats your reasonin for not havin kids, bein scared of an unlikely event, then thats not the best thinkin in my opinion. and i know ya listed other reasons and again ya dont gotta justfify to anyone but i think when ppl say 'wait til your older' or 'things will change' its not necessarily arrogance its just that theyve seen what a few yrs or life experiences can do to a person.

I have many, many more reasons for not procreating - that just happens to be one of them. I can't even look at pregnant women without feeling disgusted - not that they're disgusting, but I'd certainly feel disgusting if that happened to me. Pregnancy isn't a miracle, and childbirth isn't beautiful.

I already have enough shit to tend to in this life, I don't need a brat soiling their pants every 5 minutes.

Mr. Charlie · 11-26-2013, 09:29 PM

I still soil my pants. Sometimes on purpose.

ladyislingering · 11-27-2013, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie

I still soil my pants. Sometimes on purpose.

The Batlord · 11-30-2013, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

I have many, many more reasons for not procreating - that just happens to be one of them. I can't even look at pregnant women without feeling disgusted - not that they're disgusting, but I'd certainly feel disgusting if that happened to me. Pregnancy isn't a miracle, and childbirth isn't beautiful.

I already have enough shit to tend to in this life, I don't need a brat soiling their pants every 5 minutes.

I might hate kids but pregnant chicks are hot. I never gave a crap about Jessica Simpson, but when she got preggers I was all like "Aw yeah, baby..."

zombie kid · 11-30-2013, 10:17 AM

So what makes somebody hate kids? Do they not spend a lot of time around kids or are they just a misanthrope?

Silenzio · 11-30-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by zombie kid

So what makes somebody hate kids? Do they not spend a lot of time around kids or are they just a misanthrope?

There are several reasons for hating children, you don't have to be a misanthrope to hate children. It's like calling someone who dislikes cats an animal-hater.
I heard some people have an aversion for seniors, so it'd make sense if you could develop an aversion for any demographic group.

I guess if you have had a rough childhood you wouldn't want to see childhood again.
Another reason for hating kids might be the inability to deal with noise and mess kids create.
Moreover I'm sure there are subconscious reasons.

The Batlord · 11-30-2013, 11:00 AM

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So what makes somebody hate kids? Do they not spend a lot of time around kids or are they just a misanthrope?

I don't know. I just don't really like them. They annoy me, they don't understand that I don't want to hear the stupid things they have to say and I can't just tell them that they're boring and dumb so I have to sit there and listen to their drivel, they smell, they make scenes in public, they can order Happy Meals without looking retarded, and I'm sure I could think of more but those are just off the top of my head.

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