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View Poll Results: How do you plead?
I'm a parent 11 17.74%
I'm a child-free woman/man 24 38.71%
I want to have kids someday (please explain) 18 29.03%
I'm undecided 9 14.52%
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Old 11-24-2013, 02:38 PM   #121 (permalink)
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So what about the people who aren't born into the right circumstances? Is suffering the price they pay for being born into ****ty circumstances?

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Not what I was saying. If you can provide the right circumstances then the positives of life are well worth the suffering.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:00 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Tl;dr - It really all boils down to simply this: Life is suffering. To impose life on a being is to impose suffering. Therefore, imposing life in an immoral action.
Are you a Buddhist? Buddha thought life was suffering and, though I love him to bits, I don't believe life is suffering. Life is frequently painful for all of us, and, for various reasons, almost always painful for some. But suffering is optional.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:51 PM   #123 (permalink)
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What about getting your tubes tied or Ki getting the ole snip snip?
It's easier for him to get the operation because women are usually patronized or discriminated against. But for some ridiculous reason he isn't taking advantage of this.

He has the best insurance this country has to offer, for another 3 years of his life, essentially for free, and he is of the most privileged demographic (read: white adult male). Why not withstand a couple days of minor discomfort for a lifetime of freedom from condoms and pregnancy scares? Seriously.

I'm looking forward to the day when I can afford proper insurance, but I'm pretty sure that despite the fact that we're a really progressive society on the west coast, it's going to take me a long time to find a doctor who isn't going to look at me and say "HURRR YURR GUNNA CHANGE YUR MIIIIND" and then stare at me like I'm a dumb little girl and laugh about me to their 27 children and Grand Canyon-vagina'd wife.
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:04 PM   #124 (permalink)
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havin a vasectomy that young sounds really dumb to me
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:20 PM   #125 (permalink)
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havin a vasectomy that young sounds really dumb to me
I don't think so. Unless he's lying about a number of things, it seems like a reasonable thing to do if you're in a child-free lifelong relationship.
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:59 PM   #126 (permalink)
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I'm looking forward to the day when I can afford proper insurance, but I'm pretty sure that despite the fact that we're a really progressive society on the west coast, it's going to take me a long time to find a doctor who isn't going to look at me and say "HURRR YURR GUNNA CHANGE YUR MIIIIND" and then stare at me like I'm a dumb little girl and laugh about me to their 27 children and Grand Canyon-vagina'd wife.
I honestly think doctors everywhere are like this. They even hesitate to perform hysterectomies or even partial ones even if it's medically necessary. My mom should have one done because (ok the rest is in spoilers)

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For years she has had problems with fibroids and it's gotten worse after two kids. They're benign but there is always a chance that they can turn cancerous, especially now that she is almost 53. But they keep coming back and now it's getting to a point where they're bothering her. She's entering menopause now so it's so much worse and she's in so much pain when she gets a period. And fibroids will keep posing a problem and chronic pain even after menopause. The solution: a hysterectomy. Her family doctor is refusing to even consider it, and same with her gynecologist. I think they are being idiots.
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About life being suffering... Such true words but the strongest, most determined and driven people I've ever met have always had a whole load of **** thrown at them that they shouldn't have ever had to deal with.


Not saying it is always the case but what is for you will not go by you.
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i havent i refuse to in fact. it triggers my ptsd from yrs ago when i thought my ex's anal beads were those edible candy necklaces
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:11 PM   #128 (permalink)
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Life is more than suffering though. It's definitely a struggle, for some more than others by a metric ass-ton but there's a lot out there to enjoy too. I'm just gonna guess and say most of us are from relatively well-off parts of the world where there's more or less an equal opportunity for a happy, comfortable life.
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:24 PM   #129 (permalink)
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havin a vasectomy that young sounds really dumb to me
Exactly. I don't want kids, but I don't need to have a vasectomy to prove that. That's just extreme, imo.
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I honestly think doctors everywhere are like this. They even hesitate to perform hysterectomies or even partial ones even if it's medically necessary. My mom should have one done because (ok the rest is in spoilers)

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For years she has had problems with fibroids and it's gotten worse after two kids. They're benign but there is always a chance that they can turn cancerous, especially now that she is almost 53. But they keep coming back and now it's getting to a point where they're bothering her. She's entering menopause now so it's so much worse and she's in so much pain when she gets a period. And fibroids will keep posing a problem and chronic pain even after menopause. The solution: a hysterectomy. Her family doctor is refusing to even consider it, and same with her gynecologist. I think they are being idiots.
That's completely ridiculous. There are risks involved with having a hysterectomy but they're wildly hyped up because of these pro-breeding weirdos. She's well past the prime childbearing stage (in medical terms) so I don't see what the holdup is. I think she needs a new doctor, to be honest.

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Exactly. I don't want kids, but I don't need to have a vasectomy to prove that. That's just extreme, imo.
Literally the only reason I haven't gotten a tubal ligation is because I don't have health insurance.

Not because I want to prove anything, but because I don't want to get pregnant. Sterilization isn't a social statement, dear. It's a personal choice.
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