Lord Larehip

Sure they are. They hide it simply by not talking about it. If they could make off with it and put it the basement of the Smithsonian where they actually have hidden things, they would.


So is Cedar Point. Both are parks with many visitors every year but the obvious difference is that one is an ancient treasure which, by some miracle, wasn't dug up and paved over with a strip mall. Get it? Serpent Mound is a park. If science has its way, that's all it ever will be.

Janszoon

It's a National Historic Landmark. It's not being hidden and it's not going to be "paved over with a strip mall".

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I never said it was going to be paved over. It better not be. I said it was by some miracle that it hasn't been paved over with a strip mall. Most of these ancient land sculptures are gone. Here in Michigan, we once had cataloged over 1100 mounds. A major thoroughfare near where I live is called "Mound Road" because of all the mounds it passed near. How many mounds do you see driving down Mound Road today? None. Absolutely none. Lots of strip malls, though.

As for Serpent Mound being a national landmark--great, so what? I never said it was unknown to people in general. I said that I doubted most people here at this forum had ever heard of it before now. Landmark or no, it's still a park run by the Ohio Historical Society:

Visiting Serpent Mound - Ancient Earthworks Site in Peebles, Ohio

I think science would like it to remain a park rather than conduct any serious study because of the fear that such a study will up-end the myth that in 12,000 BCE, Asian nomads came across a land bridge now called the Aleutian Islands and populated the New World and became known as Indians. Questioning this falsehood has nothing to do with science and everything to do with money--funding to be exact.

Did you know that there have been a number of relics recovered from the Serpent Mound in the 19th century and that they were taken to Boston and that they are still locked up in Boston museums whose trustees have refused to return them even at the request of the native Indian tribes in Ohio?

In the 19th century, there was a fear by academia that many of the Indian tribes were, in fact, white people rather than the barbarous, dark-skinned savages that the white settlers were taught to fear and hate. The Mandan Indians were often amazingly white in appearance:







Their language was discovered to be strikingly close to Gaelic or Welsh and the weave of the clothing worn by the females was identical to that worn by the Nordic women of Europe. Unlike the other plains Indians, the Mandans lived in earth lodges and the women tended their gardens. Strangely, they arranged their lodges in rows with wide paths between that resembled streets. In fact, the architectural style of their lodges were not used by any other tribes but is rather close to that used in Norway. President Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter to Meriwether Lewis (of the Lewis and Clark expedition) dated January 22, 1804 where directs him to make contact with the Indian tribe rumored to white with blue eyes. He meant the Mandans and the expedition had extensive contact with them. When artist and lawyer, George Catlin, set off to meet the Mandan, he spoke to William Clark who was, by then, a governor. According to Catlin, Clark said the Mandan were "a strange people and half-white."

So what, you say? The problem for 19th century white American academia was that they were afraid that if the basic populace saw how white some of the Indian tribes were, there might be less of a will to slaughter and disenfranchise them of their land and there went your railroads, factories and other business enterprises that promised fabulous riches to those who needed only to remove the indigenous peoples sitting in their way. In fact, the Mandans even came to be known as "the White Indians" and the "Welsh Indians."

How to get rid of them without causing an outcry? Simple--the govt issued them blankets and tools infested with smallpox and the like. They were decimated in no time flat. Here's how the Encyclopedia Britannica describes this biological warfare genocide:

In 1750 there were nine large Mandan villages, but recurrent epidemics of smallpox, pertussis (whooping cough), and other diseases introduced through colonization reduced the tribe to two villages by 1800. In 1837 another smallpox epidemic left only 100 to 150 Mandan survivors.

Science still refuses to admit that the Olmec stone heads in Mexico are depictions of "Negroes." Some take a tactful turn and say that these cannot be the heads of Ancient Egyptians. I personally don't care if they are Egyptian or not but these ARE the heads of "Negroes":







The problem for scientists and researchers is that if they don't toe the party line, they don't get funding or grants or awarded prestigious positions at prestigious universities. How far does this chicanery go?

Here is the mummy science tells us is that of Ramses II, perhaps the greatest of all the pharaohs:



Here is an artist's rendering of what he would have looked like in life based on the mummy:



Here is what the Ancient Egyptians themselves say he looked like:





Look at ANY statue of Ramses II and you can't help but admit, he doesn't look anything like this mummy. And many of these statues were carved during his reign. You would think that they'd at least gotten the nose right since the mummy has a very distinctive nose. Clearly, this not the same person.

And that makes me think of something else. Science tells us that the pyramids were nothing more than "huge tombs." One guy I argued with on the internet even used that very phrase when I told him they were astronomically aligned (which they obviously are). "Baloney!" he said, "They are nothing but huge tombs." So I asked him to show me a single mummy found in ANY Egyptian pyramid--ANY AT ALL. He couldn't but still wouldn't budge from his position but it was clear that prior to doing a search, he thought they had found mummies in pyramids and that was the basis for calling them tombs. There is NO BASIS AT ALL! No Egyptian pyramid has ever yielded up even a trace of a mummy--none whatsoever.

If we assert that they were stolen by grave robbers, we have to assert ALL of them were robbed which is not likely but, even more to the point, why wasn't Ramses II's mummy stolen? They stole mummies of far lesser known pharaohs but left behind the greatest of them all??

It's the emperor's new clothes. They all oo and ah over this mummy and none has the courage or sense to say that it cannot be him. That might piss off some influential academics who could easily ruin your career and no doubt it will.

Mr. Charlie

^^ Interesting.

Maybe Ramses II wanted to be remembered a certain way and so ordered that his image be portrayed as that depicted in the statues and paintings? It's not unusual for those in power to comission artists to portray them romantically (or in a bulls**t way) rather than realistically.

Regardless, everyone who gets the chance to visit Egypt should do so. Seeing the pyramids, the sphynx, the temples at Luxor, the treasures in the Egyptian national museum with your own eyes. It's really something.

Lord Larehip

I'm sure Ramses didn't order his likeness to be so altered that there is no resemblance whatsoever. A pharaoh would obviously want his face remembered. Then again, maybe he was a direct forebear of Michael Jackson.

Neapolitan

Well the word "white people" is more of a modern term. The Clovis people have a connection to the people who lived back then to those who use to live in area which is now France.

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And is it possible the Clovis people came to America far earlier than Columbus or the Vikings? Sure it is! And that's my point: if we knew all the different peoples who came here and when, it would render the official history meaningless.

We can't know the extent of this tapestry of visitors--many of whom stayed. If we look at modern parallels, we can see why. Do you know who is the first Japanese documented as setting foot on US soil? It was a guy named Manjiro. Where did this happen? Must have been the West Coast, right? Seattle or San Francisco or some place like that. Wrong! It was New Bedford, Massachusetts around 1843. He was part of a fishing party from Japan blown off course by a storm. They lived on an island for a few months until they were picked up by a whaling ship called the John Howland out of New Bedford. They stayed onboard and worked as crewman (the desertion rate was high in the Yankee whaling fleet so they took anybody aboard who was interested including whalermen who had deserted from other ships--no questions asked--Melville deserted his first ship).

When they put into Honolulu at the end of the whaling season, four of the fishermen disembarked but Manjiro begged the captain, William Whitfield, to keep him on and teach him to be a navigator. Manjiro was 14 and Whitfield told him he should go home to his family who would be worried. Manjiro told him that this was impossible because Japan was so isolationist that contact with foreigners was forbidden upon pain of death. He could never go home again. Whitfield was saddened to hear this and so agreed to grant Manjiro his wish and took him back to Massachusetts. And that's how the first documented Japanese came to America. It flies in the face of logic but it really happened--you can check it out for yourself if you doubt.

Moreover, Manjiro did become a very capable navigator and rose to first mate on a voyage that circumnavigated the globe. It was believed that he would captain his own ship one day but instead Manjiro left New Bedford and sailed to Nantucket. From there he caught a ship to San Francisco and mined for gold for a few months. Then he signed onto a whaling ship heading to the Pacific. From there, he left the ship amd disembarked on an island near Japan. He had his books and charts with him. He went back to Japan and was arrested but he knew they wouldn't execute him--he had knowledge that made him far too valuable. The authorities questioned him intensely and he answered everything truthfully. He told them he know all about the barbarians and could teach others and could also teach them how to build ships like the barbarian countries and how to sail them. He was made a teacher and he taught as he promised. He was allowed to see his mother again--the reason he went home in the first place. When Admiral Perry's ships arrived in Tokyo Bay on 1853, he stepped onto Japan and was greeted in perfect English by none other than Manjiro.

How many times over the centuries did similar stories happen that changed the course of history that we will never know about?

By the way, Manjiro did return to the US by navigating a Japanese crew to the West Coast in the 1890s. He met William Whitfield again and each man had a family by then. To this day, the descendants of each man still meet every few years--sometimes in Japan and sometimes in Massachusetts. I learned this story when I vacationed in New Bedford and visited the Millicent Library in nearby Fairhaven where this story was posted on the wall. The library is the location where the two families meet in America. I named my eldest daughter Millicent for that reason. We just call her Mill.

Believe it or not.

Janszoon

It was news to me too!

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