gun control

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 09-08-2013, 10:35 AM

rez address you several posts ago.... no **** crimes are often committed by people you know, i dont think anyone is disputing that or sayin otherwise are they?? there is also no telling how many burglaries/murders just owning a a gun has prevented. 'hmmm should i rob 216 who i know keeps a gun on his nightstand?' and im not sure what is even relevant about those stats - if my life was put in jeopardy by someone i know, i would still pull my gun

im reading your stats and i think most people agree: it is unlikely i will be murdered or even have to use my gun. but in the unlikely event that i do have to defend myself, i will be able to. you will not be able to. the point of having a gun is to improve chances of preserving the things most valuable to us, aka our lives.

you missed the point on commenting about the country being so large. my point was that the government would have to bomb an insanely large area. of course my ar-15 wouldnt do anythin vs an air raid lol. again, not the point. when it comes to death i would like a chance to determine my own fate. if you dont go down fighting vs someone then you are a coward, plain and simple

also to say i didnt look at your stats is party true becuase the first one you laid out was very misleading and i stand by what i said about that stat even tho you repeated it again i believe. so lets say goin by stats there is a better chance of me shootin myself than an intruder or someone puttin my life in danger. you might ask, why own a gun then????? why?? because i trust myself to be a responsible gun owner. the stat about inuring myself or a family member is totally dependent on someone bein irresponsible in individual cases. if you are responsible then there is no problem and you are at 0% risk for that stat

Dr_Rez · 09-08-2013, 10:49 AM

Lord Larhip I really dont know what kind of utopian dream neighborhood you live in that you need to be in the middle of a gang war to get shot mugged and beaten....

All this talk and you havnt said what would you do about this? What laws would you put in place and what would you ban?

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 09-08-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rezdaddy Longlegs

Noone is asking to own assualt rifles and noone does own assualt rifles.

Assault rifle is an automatic military grade rifle. What everyone has is a regular semi automatic rifle that works no different than any other gun but it called an assault rifle by the media because of scary looking furniture put on it.

Why not, though? They'd come in handy when it's time to overthrow the govt.

Dr_Rez · 09-08-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

Why not, though? They'd come in handy when it's time to overthrow the govt.

Well if we are going to be serious about it they technically are legal...You just have to jump through hoops and get licenses and pay fee;s to own them. I dont see anything wrong with that.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 09-08-2013, 11:57 AM

Which makes them rare on the legal market, which will make them not a big factor come revolution time. So why not remove the hoops and better arm the people's army?

Dr_Rez · 09-08-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

Which makes them rare on the legal market, which will make them not a big factor come revolution time. So why not remove the hoops and better arm the people's army?

Great job playing devils advocate or whatever you are trying to do. What would you have us do in US about gun control. What measures would you actually take?

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 09-08-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rezdaddy Longlegs

Great job playing devils advocate or whatever you are trying to do.

Thank you.

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What would you have us do in US about gun control. What measures would you actually take?

The main ideas I have would be to do a better job monitoring gun sales and to essentially hold gun owners accountable for registering their weapons with a national database every few years or so.

I think that the initial sale from a commercial vendor should register the weapon with the database automatically, and then every few years they should have to go down to a local office with the weapon where someone verifies the registered gun via its serial number. Then they get a certificate or whatever that expires in a few years when they will have to come back and register again.

Any private weapons sales should be registered through this office as well. Stolen guns should be reported to the police as soon as the gun owner finds out, and failure to do so should be a relatively serious crime.

Essentially it would probably take a new government agency to administer this plan but I think it would be worth it. If you had such a system I think it would be a lot harder for legal guns to spill over into the black market.

edit - I'd be willing to have exceptions to this rule for certain types of guns. Hunting rifles, certain kinds of shotguns, etc. They're essentially irrelevant to gun crime and thus it's not necessary to create any new laws for these weapons.

Dr_Rez · 09-08-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

Thank you.
The main ideas I have would be to do a better job monitoring gun sales and to essentially hold gun owners accountable for registering their weapons with a national database every few years or so.

I think that the initial sale from a commercial vendor should register the weapon with the database automatically, and then every few years they should have to go down to a local office with the weapon where someone verifies the registered gun via its serial number. Then they get a certificate or whatever that expires in a few years when they will have to come back and register again.

Any private weapons sales should be registered through this office as well. Stolen guns should be reported to the police as soon as the gun owner finds out, and failure to do so should be a relatively serious crime.

Essentially it would probably take a new government agency to administer this plan but I think it would be worth it. If you had such a system I think it would be a lot harder for legal guns to spill over into the black market.

edit - I'd be willing to have exceptions to this rule for certain types of guns. Hunting rifles, certain kinds of shotguns, etc. They're essentially irrelevant to gun crime and thus it's not necessary to create any new laws for these weapons.

I can respect that opinion. I may totally disagree with the idea of a national registry for gun owners but I at least see that your solution is not simply the extremist point of view...just ban it.

People like Lord seem to think that making it impossible for legal law abiding citizens to obtain firearms will decrease crime by such a substantial amount. While it may lower gun crimes somewhat, I would rather have the individual opportunity to defend myself.

> I think you may agree with what I said earlier about having stricter requirements for owning a gun. you must be proficient to a certain degree and have passed safety tests that show you are competent and mature enough to do so. This imo would be the biggest part of reducing all the "misfires/accidents" lord is constantly going on about.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 09-08-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rezdaddy Longlegs

I can respect that opinion. I may totally disagree with the idea of a national registry for gun owners but I at least see that your solution is not simply the extremist point of view...just ban it.

Can I ask why you disagree with a gun owner registry?

I think banning guns would have worked before a massive arms industry emerged, but now it's too late for that and it would be political suicide to even try. So at this point it makes more sense to try to regulate them instead.

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> I think you may agree with what I said earlier about having stricter requirements for owning a gun. you must be proficient to a certain degree and have passed safety tests that show you are competent and mature enough to do so. This imo would be the biggest part of reducing all the "misfires/accidents" lord is constantly going on about.

Yes, I do agree with that. I think it's absurd to not have such a requirement.

Dr_Rez · 09-08-2013, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

Can I ask why you disagree with a gun owner registry?

Well primarily because I think it is a very large step to becoming like the UK. I think it will be later used when a law is passed banning ownership of guns (longuns and handguns).

Maybe I am wrong but MANY people (like Hilary Clinton) would do anything in their power to disarm the entire public while being protected by armed guards themselves.

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~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	rez address you several posts ago.... no **** crimes are often committed by people you know, i dont think anyone is disputing that or sayin otherwise are they?? there is also no telling how many burglaries/murders just owning a a gun has prevented. 'hmmm should i rob 216 who i know keeps a gun on his nightstand?' and im not sure what is even relevant about those stats - if my life was put in jeopardy by someone i know, i would still pull my gun im reading your stats and i think most people agree: it is unlikely i will be murdered or even have to use my gun. but in the unlikely event that i do have to defend myself, i will be able to. you will not be able to. the point of having a gun is to improve chances of preserving the things most valuable to us, aka our lives. you missed the point on commenting about the country being so large. my point was that the government would have to bomb an insanely large area. of course my ar-15 wouldnt do anythin vs an air raid lol. again, not the point. when it comes to death i would like a chance to determine my own fate. if you dont go down fighting vs someone then you are a coward, plain and simple also to say i didnt look at your stats is party true becuase the first one you laid out was very misleading and i stand by what i said about that stat even tho you repeated it again i believe. so lets say goin by stats there is a better chance of me shootin myself than an intruder or someone puttin my life in danger. you might ask, why own a gun then????? why?? because i trust myself to be a responsible gun owner. the stat about inuring myself or a family member is totally dependent on someone bein irresponsible in individual cases. if you are responsible then there is no problem and you are at 0% risk for that stat

09-08-2013, 11:57 AM	#85 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	Which makes them rare on the legal market, which will make them not a big factor come revolution time. So why not remove the hoops and better arm the people's army?