Dr_Rez

But a combat situation is exactly what you want them for.....

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Freebase Dali

Parents "accidentally" leave dangerous things in the reach of children, plain and simple. And if you don't think there's an "epidemic" of children ingesting poison but you think there's an "epidemic" of children being killed by guns in the U.S. then I think you should probably look at the statistics and do a simple comparison. You would obviously be surprised.

So you're essentially agreeing with me that making it a felony to be irresponsible with guns will reduce incidents where such a thing happens... Check.

I'm finding it hard to conjure up the sort of empathic ability it takes to understand your perspective, because it's wildly outside the realms of common logic and reality. The funny thing is, you're basically saying, "remove guns, therefore, you remove the problem", but you are apparently ignorant to the myriad of other factors involved in the simple fact that you cannot just snap your fingers and cause all guns to disappear. Your perspective, in its current status, would be amazing and completely awesome, but you're limited by the fact that you live in reality, and you are obviously not paying any respect to that fact. If we're going to just tout "what I wish", then sh*t, I have a bunch of stuff I could randomly spout without any regard for the reality of it all.

I can only assume you don't trust yourself to be responsible enough to have one. And I commend you on that decision. We need more people like you.

You do realize that not everyone has the same "odds", right? We're not this single, equal, circumstantially homogeneous species. Where I live, I have different odds than where my boss lives. My boss has different odds than where the mayor lives. Regardless of whether that's dictated by the area, the security, or the type of people that can afford to live in that area, the odds aren't the same for everyone.
Knowing this, you have to concede the fact that odds aren't across the board. And since you must concede that, you must also concede that your assumptions about how likely it is someone would need to protect themselves is not only irrelevant, but largely misguided, since you're treating it as a blanket case based on, worst of all, your own miniscule experience, which is obviously the case, since you haven't once considered the odds of people living in high crime neighborhoods having to defend themselves more than someone living in an affluent suburb.

I say all that to say that when someone says "Your odds are this much", they're talking out of their ass.

Hey, my life has been threatened many times. Most often with actual rockets and mortars. And there have been several occasions outside of the military. But I've never needed to resort to guns because that's a last resort. But it's still there, as a resort. The simple fact of the matter is this... If I am faced with an imminent threat to my life of which I cannot defend otherwise, I will use lethal force. Knowing that we cannot magically make all guns disappear out of the criminal's hands, we cannot deprive the right of self defense for those innocent people that would like a chance to protect themselves and their family from those that would harm them.
When you advocate removing that ability without addressing the PAINFULLY obvious fallout that "banning guns" would result in, you're simply carrying a blank, meaningless flag off into the wilderness where it stands for something great that won't make a speck of difference.

But hey, it would make you feel good, right?
Of course, that's all that matters...

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butthead aka 216

lord lare ive never shot anyone and the thought is that i will never have to but the fact that if needed, i can shoot someone, is worth owning a gun to me. i believe in the right to self protection and defendin myself and my property. most ppl who want guns banned are lefty art student grads livin in a rich new hampshire suburb. lol thats how i view them anyway


of course there are irresponsible gun owners, there are irresponsible people everywhere. irresponsible drivers, parents, teachers, employees, etc. mistakes happen.

my neighbor was robbed 2 weeks ago albeit by someone he knew. his door is literally less than 5 feet from me. if that intruder were to break into my apartment he would be met with my gun lookin him in the face. thats one reason i own a gun, incase some wacko thinks its ok to take things that belong to me and possibly harm or kill me. kinda like what i was sayin with urban hatemonger, it would be dumb of me to assume the best case scenario for someone who just broke into my crib. if hes willin to do that, there is no reason for me to assume he wouldnt do somethin more sinister. even if that chance was 1 percent, why take that risk?? my life is valuable to me

djchameleon

The radical righties need to realize that gun control isn't about banning guns or taking guns away from anyone. Hand guns and even shot guns are fine but why do you need easy access to military grade weaponry and why the fuck do you need to stockpile so many of them. Even if a militia was to form to attempt to stand up against the government it would fail horrible. They would just send a drone over your house and blow your whole stockpile up.

Assault Rifles aren't needed and they should be more restricted than they currently are along with some other types of weapons.

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butthead aka 216

exactly, tyranny or the threat of it is a big reason we should arm ourselves. no, my pistol isnt goin to defeat the united states army lol, but what about a few million armed people spread throughout the country?? its hard to imagine a scenario where the government would actually attack the country at large and even harder to imagine actually defeating the united states military given that scenario, but i will be damned if i wouldnt try.

look at what happens around the world. i think it was the phillipines where the new president or something back in the day took over and demanded the citizens disarm themselves. governments get violent with their citizens all the time.

its like bein in prison. your first day there big bubba comes over and takes your fruit cup at lunch. he is 7 foot, 400 pounds of muscle but you fight bubba anyways because if not you are sending the message that anyone can do whatever they want to you. the next guy might not wanna go through the trouble of fighting you to get that fruit cup so maybe he will get it from someone else. its like that way with guns, jut because my handgun cant defeat a battle tank doesnt mean i shouldnt try, and in the event of a government attack theres no reason for anyone to just roll over and wave the white flag.

djchameleon

that's not a big reason at all. It's a paranoid reason and a very extremely small chance of it ever happening and like I said earlier in my post if it did happen. There is no try, there is just lay down and die. You just get bombed the fuck up. You can't fight against a bomb.

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butthead aka 216

do you realize how big this country is?? they gonna bomb literally the entire country?? there would be deaths and there would be survivors. you tell me, who has got the better chance at surviving any type of battle, the guy with the gun or the guy without one? plus it wouldnt be just you vs the entire military

we are livin in the moment but consider historical context and how drastically thing change in a lifetime. there are people alive who experienced things like vietnam or the holocaust. there are genocides across the world, slavery, etc. i dont think we are headed down that path, but the point is that things greatly, greatly change throughout anyones lifetime and i think it would be unwise to just assume that a government couldnt turn against its people

djchameleon

they don't have to bomb the whole country. They would get intell on where the majority of militias are located and have tactical strikes. I know people like to thing the government is stupid and like to make fun of their intelligence when they fuck up but we never get to hear about their victories and that's because they do their job well.

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Dr_Rez

Noone is asking to own assualt rifles and noone does own assualt rifles.

Assault rifle is an automatic military grade rifle. What everyone has is a regular semi automatic rifle that works no different than any other gun but it called an assault rifle by the media because of scary looking furniture put on it.

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Lord Larehip

I've been saying for how many posts now that you will know the person who kills you? You all keep saying I'm talking out my ass despite posting a source for every single point I've made--none of which you've read, of course--and yet somehow I'm the one who is ignoring facts.

Virtually every crime that will be committed against you in your lifetime will be by someone who knew you. While a thief could break into your home at random, in all likelihood, it's someone who has been in your house or it's a stranger acting on information he got from someone who has been in your house.

Keeping a gun in the home carries a murder risk 2.7 times greater than not keeping one, according to a study by Arthur Kellermann. The National Rifle Association has fiercely attacked this study, but it remains valid despite its criticisms. The study found that people are 21 times more likely to be killed by someone they know than a stranger breaking into the house. Half of the murders were over arguments or romantic triangles. The study also found that the increased murder rate in gun-owning households was entirely due to an increase in gun homicides only, not any other murder method. It further found that gun-owning households saw an increased murder risk by family or intimate acquaintances, not by strangers or non-intimate acquaintances. The most straightforward explanation is that the presence of a gun increases the possibility that a normal family fight or drinking binge will become deadly. No other explanation fits the above facts.

A gun in the home increases personal safety

Women are raped by strangers a lot, sure, but most are raped by people they knew. According to the link below, 2/3 of the women who are raped knew their rapist. Women have more justification to be armed than men because they are overwhelmingly the victims of sexual assault but even then it wouldn't do them much good. Odds are, they will be raped by someone they know and trust or will be drugged and completely helpless. Children are virtually always molested by people they know and often by people they are related to.

The Offenders | RAINN | Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network

This is why arming ourselves to the teeth hasn't rid us of a huge murder rate in this country--we're so worried about being killed by a stranger (and that murder rate has actually dropped) but being armed INCREASES your chances of being killed by a family member, close friend or your own stupid fumbly fingers which is exactly what comprises the vast majority of gun homicides in this country. The stats don't lie which is why you won't look at them.

Yes. If you live in a gang and drug infested ghetto, then, yes, you probably need to arm yourself even though it won't significantly raise your chances of not getting killed but since you stand a better chance of getting killed by a stranger in bad area you may as well do what you can. But outside of a ghetto, you stand very little chance of being killed by a stranger. The Uniform Crime Report compiled by the FBI states that taken altogether, the average American has a 0.000054 chance of being murdered per year. In an average lifetime, about a 0.00378 chance. Based on a population of 300 million people, you stand a 1 in 1.134 million chance of being murdered in your lifetime.

To illustrate this, suppose I laid out 1.134 million dollar bills end to end. how far would the chain stretch? A dollar bill measures about 6 and 3/16 inches in length so a chain of 1.134 million would stretch about 108 miles. Now my proposal to you is that one of those dollar bills has a stamp on it that says "WINNER!" If you pick that dollar bill, you win all of them. So now you have to decide where along that 108-mile stretch you want to stop and snatch up a dollar bill. What are the odds that you will pick the one that has "WINNER!" stamped on it? THAT is your odds of being murdered in this country and then if we lay the condition of being murdered by a stranger only, the odds are increased by at least 3 times that--IOW 3.2 million dollar bills laid out over a 325-mile stretch. So even with the horrible, crime-ridden areas we have in this nation, you stand an exceedingly small chance of needing a gun for defense in most areas of the nation. The amount of guns available simply can't be justified by the tiny odds of being murdered by a stranger, it only increases your odds of being murdered under the usual condition--by someone you know.

One time my ship was off the coast of Puerto Rico and we fired a missile at a derelict ship anchored off the coast of Africa. We hit it dead on. THAT is how accurate an ordinary missile is. So if a ship fires a missile at your little safehouse and you're 500 miles inland, say your prayers. And all your little AR15s are useless. Then there is all the air power they can rain down on you. Satellites that will track your every move. You have no chance. Knock off with this fighting tyranny stuff. Not only will lose a fight with the govt forces, you don't want an assault rifle for that reason--you want one because you want one. Just admit it. But stop handing people this tyranny s-hit.