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09-07-2013, 03:20 AM | #51 (permalink) | |
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If there were no or too few guns, you don't think people would switch to other weapons like knives to commit murder? The UK has a high knife crime rate and it seems pretty easy to murder someone with a knife here, but it's commonly known that they only use knives because guns aren't just readily available.
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09-07-2013, 03:45 AM | #52 (permalink) |
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It's not that people won't use the other weapons like knives. It's that guns are more efficient tools of death and lead to higher murder rates. Violence won't stop, but murder rates will drop. If you don't believe me take a look at the murder rates of any big American city and compare it to London.
edit - I mean to be honest NYC is a relatively tame example since they actually got their crime somewhat under control by American standards. Take a look at what is happening in Chicago. Do you really think this type of thing would be possible without guns? Last edited by John Wilkes Booth; 09-07-2013 at 03:54 AM. |
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09-07-2013, 01:20 PM | #55 (permalink) | |
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I have put a seat belt on for 23 years and never needed it. One day I got in a car accident and it saved my life.....Same idea. Im glad you feel comfortable enough to not have a gun, but I don't. Seriously dude your above comment contains the logic and intelligence of a child.
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09-07-2013, 02:03 PM | #56 (permalink) | |
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Buying a gun to protect yourself from criminals generally doesn't work because most people murdered by guns in this country are not killed by complete strangers, they are killed by people they knew and usually people they loved. The stories below are typical. I haven't bothered to check husband-shooting-wife or ex-boyfriend-shoots-girlfriend because I'd be here all day cutting and pasting links. But the ones below are all the result of guns in the home. They don't keep you safe. I'm not against people owning guns as long as they understand the risks. But do the research before you buy one and understand the possible consequences. You are more likely to be shot or to shoot someone you love and care about if you have a gun in your house than you are to shoot an intruder. If more people truly understood that, we wouldn't have so many of these needless deaths. Ohio 12-year-old boy fatally shoots 9-year-old brother, himself in horrific slayings* - NY Daily News 4-Year-Old Kentucky Boy Fatally Shoots 6-Year-Old Sister 5-year-old Kentucky boy fatally shoots 2-year-old sister - CNN.com Different incident than the previous link Boy, 13, shoots sister, 6, at Oakland Park home, Broward Sheriff's Office says - Sun Sentinel New Jersey boy, 4, shoots neighbor in the head with .22-caliber rifle from 15 yards away | Mail Online Police arrest neighbor in shooting of 3-year-old boy in Flatbush, Brooklyn | 7online.com Boy Killed Mom Over Firewood Chore - ABC News boy shoots mother over chores | AT2W Different story than previous link |
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09-07-2013, 02:49 PM | #57 (permalink) |
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I feel like sometimes we're advocating for the continued irresponsibility of gun owners by blaming the guns. What about children that die of unintentional poisoning by common household chemicals? Do we blame the chemical, or the dumb ass parent that leaves that sort of thing in easy access of unsupervised children?
Personally, I think any parent whose kid kills someone else with their gun, accidentally or not, should be charged with negligent homicide. I also think that if someone owns a gun and has children, it should be a felony to simply have the weapon accessible to them, and their gun should be taken away. I do not, however, think that banning guns across the board is going to be effective in the U.S. Not only are there far too many of them, it simply creates a black(er) market for them and shifts the availability to criminals who simply don't follow laws, and disarms those that do. If the statistics are such that you're more likely to die at the hands of a friend or loved one versus a violent criminal, then it's rather naive to think it wouldn't swing the other way when the only people with the guns are the criminals. Personally, I've had guns all my life. I've had them during my 6 years in the military, and I know how to handle them. I have a pistol in my bedroom, and I've never accidentally blown off a toe or killed a family member. And maybe my chances of having to defend my own life against a violent criminal are slim in comparison to the alternatives, but that's not the only measuring stick. I'm pretty sure you can find PLENTY of examples of someone defending themselves against violent criminals. It's not nonexistent. The fact that it isn't is enough reason for me to have the chance at even odds, because frankly, I do give a damn about my life. Misguided idealists are not going to rob me of the ability to protect it, no matter how irrelevant they think the danger is. Just because your life was never threatened does not mean that no one's is. For every single incident where someone's is, that's a real person that is affected by whether they can protect themselves or not. Even if it's not on your own radar. It's still people.
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Federal funding for gun research, however, is rare, outside of federal grants that are available to study other injuries. That's deliberate. Since 1996, federal law has prohibited all Department of Health and Human Services agencies, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institutes of Health from using funds, "in whole or in part, to advocate or promote gun control." The National Rifle Association pushed for the legislation, maintaining that government research into gun violence is unnecessary. Kids and guns: 'These are not isolated tragedies' - CNN.com |
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But to me, while this might make the prospect of eliminating guns not feasible, this dilemma more than anything else demonstrates that we need to be more cautious. I don't think we should ban guns across the board, but we need to regulate the market better so that it's not as easy for the weapons to slip from the legal market into the black market. I can't think of any reason why the govt couldn't do a better job at tracking gun ownership other than the fact that the NRA furiously lobbies against any prospect of such a system. |
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