CallMeTex

This Republican Party isn't even the party of Goldwater much less Lincoln.

From the Wikipedia write up on LBJ:

Johnson signed the revised and stronger bill into law on July 2, 1964.[63] Legend has it that, as he put down his pen, Johnson told an aide, "We have lost the South for a generation", anticipating a coming backlash from Southern whites against Johnson's Democratic Party. Moreover, Richard Nixon politically counterattacked with the Southern Strategy where it would "secure" votes for the Republican Party by grabbing the advocates of segregation as well as most of the Southern Democrats.

We can all have our own opinions - but .... you can't piss on people's shoes and tell them its raining, and expect them to believe it.

hip hop bunny hop

So, you say the South used to be Democratic because of FDR's economic policies, I point out that the Solid South got it's name due to it's historical antipathy to the Republican Party (meaning, predating FDR by decades and decades).... and you respond with, a quote from Wikipedia about LBJ?

lolwut x 1000

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CallMeTex

Actually you said more than that. The LBJ example illustrates exactly what I was saying about the current GOP. If you concede the Republican Southern Strategy and the migration of Dixiecrats and segregationist to the Republican Party, nuff said. We can move on to your "Solid South" observation.

But the "Solid South" you refer to started fraying in the 1800s. It wasn't all that solid with Hoover was it? It became pretty solid after the New Deal and things like social security, unemployment insurance, and farm subsidies. Agree?

I am not saying there isn't animosity for Lincoln in the South and amongst conservatives. Far from it. Go to a CPAC convention and listen to conservatives lecture about how Lincoln was a mass murderer. Those bozos are in your party now. It's actually part of what makes the new solid south so solid.

Perhaps to make the same point from a different direction, remember that Afro-Americans used to vote heavily Republican (when they could vote). When did that circumstance flip - wanna guess?

As I recall, Romney got 6% of the African-American vote. That's about 6% more than he deserved, IMHO. Party of Lincoln, indeed.

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I think he's saying why the South stopped, and its almost certainly because of the Civil Rights Act.

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His knowledge of history is terrible, which explains his inability to note larger trends.

The South flipped because, as had been observed in the early 20th century, people only approve of social benefits when they're benefiting those with the same worldview as their own. Hence why Theodore Roosevelt (amongst others) were so vigorous in busting political machines. Now, obviously, Southern Whites followed in this tradition, as do todays Liberals:

I hope that was clear enough.

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CallMeTex

Observation:

Response:

Explanation:

I suppose the response is saying that white bigots flipped because social benefits of civil rights was not consistent with their world view... so they became Republicans. That's why the South now votes Republican.

OK.

hip hop bunny hop

THANKS OBAMA!



That's not what I said, at all. The point was the South flipped because they didn't want to pay [i]economic[ entitlement/i] benefits to Blacks. As the Republican Party has always been against such entitlements, they migrated their.

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Welp, no reason to stop with this "THANKS OBAMA" thing:

THANKS OBAMA!

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