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07-22-2013, 08:14 PM | #71 (permalink) | |
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That Marte got released probably has a lot to do with the ****storm of reactions it generated, here included, and for that I want to say thanks again to those who did something; complained about it somewhere publically, wrote a letter, signed a petition, shared it to your friends, etc. You all contributed to Marte's pardon. The idea that we have to worry about our political correctness to the point where we can't discuss laws and values for fear of being perceived as racist is completely ridiculous to me. Dubais is doing their best to attract westerners, yet we have no right to complain about how we are treated there? And the reason is that doing so is racist? Claiming that is ignorant. djchameleon and Hermione, you demonstrate a very rigid sort of us and them thinking; "they" being the muslims and "us" being non-muslims. In so doing, you make this a matter of groups and make that important. But I think there are plenty of muslims who would support Marte and who wishes for more gender equality, also in Dubais. And our western societies is part made up of muslims who have their place in your democracies, just like you guys do. Why make this a matter of race or groups when it's really about values? And when does not talking about a problem ever help? edit : By your logic and how you've just debated, shouldn't you say it's up to the people of France whether they want to perceive the hijab as misogynistic and ban it or not? That they have a right to do so if they want and that you should not complain about that? Your post seems contradictory.
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07-23-2013, 05:47 AM | #73 (permalink) |
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Considering that Marte is now released and that this thread seems to have descended into an argument about racism, sexism, misogyny and what seems to be a lot of name-calling and ill will, I would suggest it is now closed. It's served its purpose and I'm delighted Marte is free, but further discussion --- unless the title is changed and it becomes a basic thread about the above --- seems now pointless and counterproductive.
Just my suggestion to perhaps help calm things down.
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But as far as how countries run themselves, it is not for you or I to say if the women in the Middle East are treated unfairly. That's for them to decide. Their customs, their culture, their business. Saying that, Islam (and Sharia Law) isn't just a religion, it's an ideology. It covers everything from law, to banking, to politics. And it isn't just in practice in the Middle East either (44% Muslim where I live.) Sharia is there to be criticised. Quote:
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And by 'preaching hate every day', they're referring to the EDL. Why should the EDL not be allowed to demonstrate lol? Quote:
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07-23-2013, 08:28 AM | #76 (permalink) | |
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Exactly, I don't see anything warranting this thread to be closed down or for anything to be calmed down. Sometimes threads in this section may get a be heated but it's not where near the level of needing to be closed yet.
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07-23-2013, 09:09 AM | #77 (permalink) | |
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However it wasn't just the hijab they banned and it wasn't because of misogyny. They banned all face coverings in public places including helmets, masks and balaclavas because your face cannot be identified which is a security risk. I don't see a problem with this. In fact there is talk of it happening here - BBC NEWS | UK | The woman at centre of veil case British debate over veils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 6 men robbed a Selfridges in London wearing niqabs (non-Muslims though) and fled on motorbikes. Two of them went down for a total of 17 years for it yesterday. BBC News - Selfridges robbery: 'Men in burkas' in 'smash and grab' BBC News - Selfridges robbery: Smash-and-grab watch raid brothers jailed I see Muslim women all the time wearing the full niqab, I don't really care. It's their choice (at the moment), however I completely support a ban on face covering in public in Britain, it's totally justified. I don't really care that it includes Muslims and if that makes me a racist then so be it. |
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Secondly, you accuse Vanilla of internalized mysogny, and yet muslim women who are wearing the Hijab according to cultural laws created and maintained by men are doing so of their own free will? What about the burka? Not internalized misogyny either?
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07-23-2013, 04:14 PM | #79 (permalink) |
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I honestly don't believe anyone here has a great enough understanding of islamic culture to determine whether or not clothing laws are oppressive. That is going to depend on who you ask who is a part of that culture. Some women dislike it. Others really appreciate it.
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