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Old 07-19-2013, 01:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This post is just dripping with racism.
Pot, meet kettle! That you even have the gall to mention racism when you are one of the most racist posters here is amazing to me. Funny how you always side against the woman in any argument, isn't it?
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Sorry, but their morality is just as valid your morality, their national borders just as sacrosanct, and they're no more backward than we are.
You don't think the idea of stoning to death, or so-called honour killings are backward?
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When a person visits a foreign country, you should obey the laws of that country. Even if you're a woman.
How in the fuck can she obey the law when she gets raped? It's not like (as far as we know) she went out looking to be raped! And when she looked for help all she got from these fuckheads was a draconian legal system that virtually denies a woman any rights at all. Fucking great example! Why don't you just join the Nazi party, or are you a member already?

Also, why is it that muslims (let's select them as this is revelant to them) seem to think they can follow their own law in the UK, flouting English law, but when an English person goes to one of the countries where Sharia law is in force they have to abide by that? Double standard or what?
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Old 07-19-2013, 03:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This has made my blood boil! I swear, I need to calm down...
For those who are interested, this is the email I sent TheOne...

Dear Sir (I'm assuming those in charge are male, as a woman would not abandon another woman in this shameful, cowardly way!)

I read with mounting horror, disbelief and finally disgust the account of your ex-employee Marte Deborah Dalelv and the position she has been put in. I can only say I am aghast that a firm could indulge in such reprehensible behaviour. You have totally abrogated your responsibility to your employee, and condemned her to a frightening ordeal, which she should not in any way be subject to. Moreover, you have sent a very clear and wrong message to others who seek to rape and abuse tourists in Dubai and other countries where Sharia Law is in force, and you have made it quite clear you have no problem with these criminals getting away with such behaviour. You have set a very dark and troubling precedent, and ensured that this law, which most right-thinking people see as not only draconian but irrelevant and outdated, will continue to be practiced and forced upon those who do not even come under the umbrella of the religion which it claims to represent.

Not only have you failed as employers, but you have failed miserably as human beings. Anyone could see this is a travesty of justice, but instead of standing up for and helping Ms. Dalelv you took the cowardly and craven way out, backing away out of the controversy no doubt in the fear that your mighty name might be linked to the scandal, without giving a shred of thought to the fate of your former employee. Would you, I am forced to wonder, have done so if the object of this arrest had been a man? Your behaviour is unconscionable, almost defies belief and is without question misogynistic in the worst way. I truly hope you see the error of your ways before it is too late, and your company goes down in history as one which abandons its staff and allows foreign law to ride roughshod over them.

Yours in total disgust
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It's so backwards. Why can't tourists have rights like they do in their originating country?
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This post is just dripping with racism.
As for as implying Vanilla is a racist or trying expose her for racism or whatever you are doing, all I have to say is a skunk smells his hole first.

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Sorry, but their morality is just as valid your morality,
Sorry, it's impossible, you can't have two opposing opinions about a moral issue and both be right.
1. Women should be punish for rape because it is deemed as sex outside of marriage. (or however you want to put it)
2. Women should not be punish for rape.

It obvious your moral relativism does not work.

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their national borders just as sacrosanct, and they're no more backward than we are.
Two wrongs don't make it right. OK there might be plenty examples of backwardness in the world, still doesn't change that what has happen is wrong.

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When a person visits a foreign country, you should obey the laws of that country. Even if you're a woman.
But as far as my understanding of what happen, she didn't disregard the law and committed a crime... she was a victim.

Some of what you said is so way off base, and so illogical it must be a joke, right?
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It's so backwards. Why can't tourists have rights like they do in their originating country?
Because then we'd have people from Dubai traveling to other countries and raping their victims to jail?
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This post is just dripping with racism. Sorry, but their morality is just as valid your morality, their national borders just as sacrosanct, and they're no more backward than we are.

When a person visits a foreign country, you should obey the laws of that country. Even if you're a woman.
What does me wanting a woman to have the rights from her own country applied to this case of her being raped, make my post racist? It's no way fair that a rape gets turned into her having sex when she isn't married. It is not just about a law of Dubai being broken but a situation described by the woman being turned into a situation that it wasn't.

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Because then we'd have people from Dubai traveling to other countries and raping their victims to jail?
I have reworded what I meant in my last post. I wasn't making sense originally.
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I signed the petition and shared a link on my facebook page (first post of mine since June 11) so I'm hoping that will gain some traction as a few people on my friends list are pretty active with petitions.

This is truly disgusting though and yet another reason to never visit Dubai. This is one of those situations where Anonymous actually come in handy as they can at least ruin the life of the rapist and make life an uncomfortable hell for The One Planet as they have to shelter this shit storm.
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Thanks for posting the links, Tore. I also have signed, e-mailed, and shared via social media.
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i do think people should obey the law of other countries but im not sure exactly where i draw the line. wasnt there a famous case a little while ago about a kid who spit on the sidewalk somewhere and got whipped because of it?? some laws are just ridiculous but i understand what hip hp bunny is saying as well. ignorance is not a defense against law as i have found out personalyl before LOL. but i guess my opinion is that certain laws are so ridiculous that i dont care.
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i do think people should obey the law of other countries but im not sure exactly where i draw the line. wasnt there a famous case a little while ago about a kid who spit on the sidewalk somewhere and got whipped because of it?? some laws are just ridiculous but i understand what hip hp bunny is saying as well. ignorance is not a defense against law as i have found out personalyl before LOL. but i guess my opinion is that certain laws are so ridiculous that i dont care.
Have you missed the vital bit of information here, that she was RAPED? Jesus! It's not like she broke the law intentionally! This is like some mad country where it's illegal to get mugged. Someone pulls a gun on you, you go to the cops and they put YOU in jail! That sound logical or even human to you?

Also, has anyone any information on what, if anything, happened to the rapist, or did he just go his merry way, looking for some other westerner to rape with, it would seem, the full tacit approval of the law????
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