No, I say he doesn't. Because all he has to do is squirt his DNA to make the thing, and maybe spend some money.

A woman has to carry that extra weight around, literally and figuratively, for about 9 months and then go through a terribly painful process wherein this big ass thing squeezes itself out of her vagina and instantly wants to lick her nipples. Her body is never the same, if the guy decides to leave her for whatever reason 9/10 dudes aren't gonna wanna be with her, and any plans for independence or fun she had are down the drain because judges usually wanna award custody to the mother.

Dude has NO say. Sorry. Only date women who want your babies if it's a problem.

Also this, well said duder.

I'm obviously pro-choice, but I do wince a little every time a see a developing foetus referred to as a parasite on this thread.

I agree with you there. It isn't something that makes it's home in your intestines. Stomach yes, intestines no. So I agree with you it's a little heartless, but not all together factually untrue.

No

Well the decision is ultimately the girls but any responsible woman would consult the father n I feel the father has every right to pressure a woman to abort if that's what he wants

Im pro choice and also pro paternal testing. lol

Females can be pretty sneaky when it comes to pregnancy and if a guy as any opinion on it, it better be in agreement with her or else he is an *******.

Ladies don't fool a guy to think he is a dad when he is actually a step dad.
i know this has nothing to do with abortion, just saying that's not cool.

Not exactly the same situation, but that kind of reminds me of one of my friends, who learned that her dad was not actually her read bio dad from her mother in probably the most impersonal, indirect, and worst way possible - through a fucking birthday card on her 18th birthday from her mom. The card said something like "Happy birthday Jane, have a great day! By the way, your dad is not your real dad." Nice birthday surprise, huh?

Her "dad" already knew this though since her mom was pregnant when they met, but they never revealed the truth. They are both loopy nutjobs so you can't really expect anything more from them. Her mom is seriously crazy, though. She was engaged to the father, got pregnant, and had a bad breakup (according to her). My friend has asked her mom for some information about him, like his name and what he looks like and all that, and she won't give it to her.

Your body, your choice. I would certainly personally let the father know if it came to it, but I'm not sleeping with anyone who doesn't know I would abort the fetus in a second. That said, I take all precautionary measures to ensure the unlikelihood of the event because I don't want to have an abortion and I understand the complexity of and emotional toll the entire experience would take on both parties.

A father can choose to stay or be a bitch and leave but he has no say in her choice. If you're a man and have unprotected sex with a woman you know exactly what risks you're taking.

well id blame no man for tellin a womsn what he wants or pressurin or beggin or bribin or whatever as long as it didn't cross the line

wrong

U dont think a responsible woman would consult the father or.........

If he is her bf and if she loves him she at least should tell him what she plans on doing with the kid.

If she doesn't love him or care about the guy i don't think she should consult him.

I think that the man should have some say but it's ultimately the woman's decision. By some say I mean that the woman should at least discuss it with the father and consider his opinion because he still plays a big part in the child's life through things like raising it or child support if he leaves.

The arguments on consulting the father seem to imply that life begins at conception - where do you all stand in that regard?

I don't think it implies that at all but I don't think its a child til birth

Well, if an abortion is removing or destroying something with no sentience then why is it important that the person who is not having the procedure be notified?

Edit: Oh wait, I wasn't clear. I'm referring to the idea that if a woman is pregnant and chooses to have an abortion that it is her duty to notify the father, rather than the idea that the she notify the father if she intends to keep it. To which scenario are you referring?

Child support/ it would be their child

^ See edit.

I'm mainly thinkin bout a woman wantin a kid but the father wantin abortion


I would imagine that scenarios more likely than vice versa

I hope wasn't implying that, as I don't hold that opinion. I just think that the father should be aware of the situation because it can be potentially be life altering for both parties if they decide to keep it. Also, if the woman wants an abortion and the man is vehemently against it, it should show the couple that they have some irreparable differences that can really hinder their relationship. Hopefully they know each other well enough to know things like that but too many people hop between the sheets without any consideration.

Right. I don't like the word "pressure" but I do agree there should be a conversation. I'm biased though because if it were my way no one would be having children at all.

No, you weren't. I meant the arguments in general, not the arguments any of you were making. Sorry, I kind of introduced a new topic with no segue.

Hey now! I have a killer c section scar..Whose vagina is looking crazy? Dayum sho ain't mine...

Hard to say, once the sperm reaches the egg yea, i think that's when life begins however just because it's a life i don't hold it sacred because at that point it's not a conscious human being it's just literally life trying to survive.

im pro choice because i believe some ppl aren't fit to be parents, why bring a child into a life of suffering? and here is the thing, you can tell right away when a girl wants her baby..

Her maternal instinct starts right away and if a woman feels that i think she is ready to be a mother regardless if she is not in an ideal situation.

If she decides to give up the baby for adoption, the child lives but that maternal chain is broken..
i think in that case the girl will always know she turned her back on motherhood and i think that will haunt her more than if she never had the child.

While this is your opinion you are very very very wrong. You can't claim to know why a woman gives up her child. There are reasons other then them being unfit. I gave my daughter up. I do not feel like I turned my back on motherhood. You have no idea why I gave her up. You are making a very generalized statement. There isn't a day that goes by that I am haunted by what I did.
I choose to give her the best life a child could have, and every time I open letters with pictures, or updates in it. I feel relieved, that I did what I did. Because that kid is so cute, she would have run a muck all over me.

I don't believe that life begins at conception. An embryo is not a sentient being and fetuses cannot live outside the mother's body until they are matured and viable enough to do so.

"Maybe spend some money"


Cmon bro more like 18 yrs worth of monthly checks

@RoxyRollah

K, first chillout a bit, i didn't know that..

And yea it was my assumption no need to take it personal
And just because you don't feel that it doesn't mean other girls don't.

I, as a guy can't speak for other woman
And you even though you are a woman don't speak for every woman .

When i meant the maternal chain is broken, i meant that most ppl that were adopted eventually seek out their real parrents, like there is an instinctive need to at least now who you real parents were.

That's what i meant by a maternal chain, i didn't mean to offend you or any girl that has lived through that.

I am chill. I just want to know when your book on pregnancy and adoption is coming out.
I mean cause you talk like you know somethin about it. That's like me writing
a manual on flying a 747.

I don't speak for all women, I speak for myself. That's because I am QAULIFED to do so...

Also I find it hilarious that you think you have any idea what emtions go with giving a child up.
Until you go through it personally, you shouldn't, try and speak on it.

I speak on it because I have gone through it. Oh yeah and I am the correct gender.

Really Roxy? you gonna be like that?

Im not claiming to be an expert on this subject but i have a 4 yr old daughter and one of my past Gf's had an abortion but before she did we talked about adoption and she said to me she couldn't handle that..

Am i qualified to have an opinion now?

Just because you are a parent dont make you qualified to speak on the death of a child does it? I wouldn't
dare try and speak on it.

Same goes with adoption. You have your child. You will never ever know what that path is like to walk,
because it aint yours to walk.

I just didnt want you to try and speak for me. Which you did in your blanket statement. And then you assumed I was upset because I called you out for being wrong. Im just saying, don't look at someone and assume you know their story. That's all.

Im not Roxy, i know this is a sensitive issue to talk about and that's why you have guys saying generic statements that won't make anybody mad. (What i shoulda done)

and here i take a risk and express my honest opinion and here you appear telling me "You don't know what you talking boy" and you know what? i even concede the point that what i said doesn't apply to every girl but it has applied to some girls ive known.

And ofc you're right, idk the reasons a girl had to give up her baby for adoption i can only generalise my opinion, WHICH IS WHAT I DID but STILL you took it personal.

Im not trying to judge girls that had lived through this, if that was my intention i would been a lot meaner, i tried to thread lightly in what i said but apparently it wasn't light enough.

Lol francis apologizes but roxy throws gas on the embers. Roxy cmon bro

I know bro but that's how it is, this is a female topic if i don't agree with anything they say im the assh*le.

Until you are a person who experiences maternal instincts or an abortion or making the decision to give a child up for adoption then you are unqualified to speak on the subject. It's not about agreeance.

Should I become a heroin junkie before I talk about drugs??

Really? so this thread is only for females who have happened to experience this? great! that means every post here from a guy or a female who hasn't experienced this is irrelevant.

And even me, a father of a 4yr old girl and a person who has lived through this with former partners is not qualified to talk about this.. >_>

That's not at all what I said.