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Originally Posted by Wpnfire;1436460[B
]Look, I'm religious, and that's why you may think overly strict here, but abortion is an objective issue for me (on paper, of course, in real life it's considerably more difficult for me to support my beliefs arguing against a real human being (especially a woman such as yourself), because emotions come into play, for better and for worse)[/B].
Personally, I believe the Bible says abortion is wrong, I don't like it, I feel that life is sacred, etc....but again, in real life I'm totally okay with compromising on abortion if absolutely necessary to achieve other goals.
You may be surprised to hear this, but I actually vote Democrat 90% of the time. I elect people who will best run our country, and I dislike that some people vote based strictly on moral issues. Abortion takes a back seat to supporting welfare, universal healthcare, and the economy.
This is pretty much the furthest thing from what I believe. I don't agree with anything you've said here, but I'm fine with your stance. Your arguments suck ass and are full of fallacies though.
You didn't mention what 'views' you're talking about here, but let's talk about Christianity's view on abortion: If you understood maybe 5% of what a Christian worldview is, you'd realize that 100% of all Christians believe that human life is sacred, so that bolded statement is completely irrelevant. **** animals, humans are so ****ing better than any ****ing animal.
Understand your opponent's stance on an issue before you start trying to debate (albeit poorly) with them.
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So, let me get this straight, because you go to church and read the bible, it's ok on paper to throw your opinions around? But in real life you are ok with supporting a means to an end that is either medically necessary, or maybe emotionally damaging to the mother if not aborted.
You realize you are hanging your agenda on god right? Show me in the bible where it says THOU SHALT NOT ABORT THY BABY. (I have read the bible cover to cover, many times, and in different translations.It's not there.)
Now the fact that in irl, you have a completely different thought process on the issue tells me two things. One, you get off on spewing your religious filled rhetoric at people,your ego likes to be inflated by judging. (Attitudes like this pollute the church and is one the reasons I dropped out of seminary.) And two, your belief in your rhetoric is so blind, the only thing you can do is twist God's words around to fit your personal needs. It amuses me, when humans do this. Because we are all so narcissistic we think God actually thinks like we do. It's the I think there for I am mentality. I can read the bible and walk away with the belief that reincarnation exists because I read a verse in second Timothy one time. Does that make it true? No, does it make those who don't believe what I believe less wrong? No.
True humility, and true "Christ"like behavior, would (in my opinion) be to be
accepting of each woman, and her choice. To understand it, and love her through it, whatever the choice she made was. True humility is being able to remove yourself, and your ego from a situation that has absolutely nothing to do with you, and keep your judgements to yourself. Not because, you are being tolerant of something you don't believe in, but because you are possibly doing more damage to a human soul, by judging them, instead of loving them. It's hard enough to make the decision to terminate a pregnancy. It's a situation that needs to be treated with respect, and reverence that it deserves. It doesn't need to be paraded about as a way for the church to pound away on their bibles, and toot their own horns. It's not for the church to take their opinions and hang it on the necks of women as they leave the clinic. The bible says go you to the far corners of the world and preach the gospel. Not go you unto far corners of the world., beat into submission,judge and scare people into believing this.
Christianity 101 is about saving souls man.
SAVING souls. You can't save something by hurting it, by belittling it, by judging it.
Human life is sacred in most religions and death is a part of life, whether it starts in the the womb or it comes at the end of a life fully lived it's still death, and it has to happen.
I don't know why you even brought that up.
....Wise man.
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